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Old 06-20-2009, 08:49 AM
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Re: Is baptism essential unto salvation?

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NO!
Is there anything you guys agree on?
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Re: Is baptism essential unto salvation?

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I've been out of this discussion for a while...
Does anyone have any scriptural references that directly tie baptism to the application of the blood of Christ? When I say "directly" I mean a reference that clearly and intentionally tie the two together?
Yes, and it is a question I ask ALL the time to people to show me when the blood is applied. Romans 6 is clear. Death is synonymous with the blood. We are baptized into his death/sacrifice/blood! These are used to illustrate the moment in time in which we realize HIM in his sacrifice as we are UNITED WITH HIM IN IT!
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Re: Is baptism essential unto salvation?

Repentance - death to sin
Burial - Baptism in Jesus Name-for the remission of sins.
Resurrection - raised up to walk in newness of life.

God sent His Son to earth that through him, mankind could be saved.
Even a little child when taught should be able to see that God, in the
body (flesh) of Jesus, went through the steps to show THE WAY. Jesus
told his disciples that he was the Way, the Truth and the Life. But the
way to get to the Father was through him. JESUS was the Father's House
while on earth. We house the Father now, if so be that the Spirit dwell in
you. God is a spirit! THE SPIRIT! He lives in those who desire Him to dwell
in them. We are the temple of the Living God. HE will NOT dwell in an unclean
temple.
The temple in Jerusalem (made with hands) was destroyed because it became
something God never intended it to be. If you or I or the church ever becomes
what He never intended it to be, we or the church will be removed or destroyed
also.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the Hands of the Living GOD!

The Tabernacle Plan is a good study for those who want to know
where the blood was applied. Hint: it did not remain on the alter
of sacrifice.

The blood on the doorposts of the children of Israel, was on all three
sides. It represented the protection or covering of the whole entrance.
There is a covering for those entering into the Kingdom of God also.
There was a way to prepare the Ark in Noah's day. It wasn't built
according to man's plan. GOD planned the saving of Noah's house. He
planned the saving of the children of Israel and He planned our salvation.
The Lord opens our understanding to His Plan when we come as a little
child and obey His Plan for man. Not the other way around.

Blessings,

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Old 06-20-2009, 11:36 AM
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Re: Is baptism essential unto salvation?

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Repentance - death to sin
Burial - Baptism in Jesus Name-for the remission of sins.
Resurrection - raised up to walk in newness of life.

God sent His Son to earth that through him, mankind could be saved.
Even a little child when taught should be able to see that God, in the
body (flesh) of Jesus, went through the steps to show THE WAY. Jesus
told his disciples that he was the Way, the Truth and the Life. But the
way to get to the Father was through him. JESUS was the Father's House
while on earth. We house the Father now, if so be that the Spirit dwell in
you. God is a spirit! THE SPIRIT! He lives in those who desire Him to dwell
in them. We are the temple of the Living God. HE will NOT dwell in an unclean
temple.
The temple in Jerusalem (made with hands) was destroyed because it became
something God never intended it to be. If you or I or the church ever becomes
what He never intended it to be, we or the church will be removed or destroyed
also.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the Hands of the Living GOD!

The Tabernacle Plan is a good study for those who want to know
where the blood was applied. Hint: it did not remain on the alter
of sacrifice.

The blood on the doorposts of the children of Israel, was on all three
sides. It represented the protection or covering of the whole entrance.
There is a covering for those entering into the Kingdom of God also.
There was a way to prepare the Ark in Noah's day. It wasn't built
according to man's plan. GOD planned the saving of Noah's house. He
planned the saving of the children of Israel and He planned our salvation.
The Lord opens our understanding to His Plan when we come as a little
child and obey His Plan for man. Not the other way around.

Blessings,

Falla39
though I agree repentance is a turning from sin it is not the same unification "in death" with Christ. Not saying your saying that but just makinga point!
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Old 06-20-2009, 11:45 AM
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Re: Is baptism essential unto salvation?

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Can we all agree that the blood of Christ is NOT applied to our sins in baptism?
no, that is one of the differences among Apostolic Pentecostals.

Some believe sins are forgiven/remitted/washed away at repentance.

Some believe sins are forgiven at repentance and then remitted at water baptism (even though the forgiveness and remission are the same word in Greek)

Some believe sins are not forgiven/remitted/washed away until water baptism.

Some believe sins are not forgiven/remitted/washed away until both water and Spirit baptism are completed.

I think the above describe the various views among Oneness Pentecostals.
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Old 06-20-2009, 11:48 AM
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Is there anything you guys agree on?

must be something we all agree on
but I cant' think of it right now
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Old 06-20-2009, 11:59 AM
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must be something we all agree on
but I cant' think of it right now
How about "Timmy is lost"?
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Old 06-20-2009, 03:09 PM
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How about "Timmy is lost"?


lost?

Luke chapter 15 speaks about some lost stuff.
standard sermon would say there are three lost things there:
silver, was lost, didn't know it was lost, didn't know the way back
sheep, was lost, knew it was lost, didn't know the way back
son, was lost, knew he was lost, knew his way back

the first 2 were sought for until found, then rejoiced over the finding
the third was mourned until he returned, then rejoiced over when he returned.

The silver and the sheep still remained in the owner's possession.
The son still remained in the family.
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Re: Is baptism essential unto salvation?

Sam,

Do you believe that a person who has the opportunity for baptism and simply denies it and dies unbaptized will inherit eternal life?

I don't think that the waters in baptism washes sins away, but I think that every believer must be baptized, in accordance with scripture.

What do you think?
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Sam,

Do you believe that a person who has the opportunity for baptism and simply denies it and dies unbaptized will inherit eternal life?

I don't think that the waters in baptism washes sins away, but I think that every believer must be baptized, in accordance with scripture.

What do you think?
Bro. Jermyn,

What do you do with this verse?


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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