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Originally Posted by gloryseeker
I believe that you are right, but you also have to look at the "end of the story."
Those same people are typically, unproductive, have no capacity to create, live a self indulgent lifestyle, believe that something is owed to them, that government should take care of them, are lazy, not faithful, heavily in debt, and really affect no other lives.
So while your analysis is probably more right than it is wrong, it is not good. Just look at the "parents" of those who are under 30. They have no parenting skills, their kids are committing suicide at record numbers, on anti depressants, cutting themselves, joining gangs in record numbers, and having sex with everyone around including the same gender.
In my daughter's High School their were 80 pregnant girls. This all comes from some place...it's the theology of this group that you are talking about.
Again there is some truth in what you are saying. We are seeing the church "change", however the change is producing a very weak Christian who says that they love Jesus but are hopping from bed to bed, drinking, cussings, partying like the world on Saturday and they rejoicing with the worship team on Sunday.
It is totally contrary to the multitude of scripture that talks about being like a "tree planted."
The worship of organization is not God's plan. But stability is. What I believe that you will see is that as Isaiah states (60:1-2) while gross darkness covers the world and people their will be a glorious church that arises. One that is committed, loves Jesus more than the world, whose focal point is like the fathers of the faith who are committed to getting God's work wrapped up.
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The post above is an ode to a dying day. It is not a dying day because the model is useless. It is a dying day because they shun and attack all those who have a different vision. Not a different message. Just a different method. Self inflicted attrition is a strong force and little can survive it's effect.
The problem is that too many... especially of the passing paradigm... feel that the method is as important as the message.
The method sheds it's skin from time to time. Probably once per generation. The method changes. The error is in seeing people in error for no longer agreeing with the previous method.
I am one of those who serves in the current model.
I hold offices. I am a preacher. I have been known to speak at camp meetings and fellowship meetings and will do so again.
I get behind that pulpit and I preach the message. I don't feel that many aspects of the method are the most effective for our day and hour but I don't see any profit or Godliness in using the pulpit to destroy what is now in place.
They don't know that I am "one of those". There are many of us who are "one of those". We long for and work toward a different day and yet serve with all our might in this present day. I will never fight the current model but I will be ready when the next model comes to life. I have been ready for years.
Why don't they know that I am one of those? Because those who are sold out to a paradigm judge us too quickly because our methods are different.
Because our tree is not planted in their orchard they say our tree is not planted.
Because our priorities outside the message itself differ from their own they see us as aloof and undedicated.
They are quick to judge us and make all manner of accusation against what they will never attempt to understand.
So I toil among them. Loving them. Ministering to the saints of their churches. And awaiting the day. Awaiting the inevitable day that this paradigm shift will occur in earnest. They don't know I am here because they would ridicule and ostracize if they knew my thoughts so I am content to serve them... and serve them well... as I await the day that God makes the change and I hope that, at that time, my God sees that I have been a faithful, non judgmental and patient servant of His Kingdom no matter the paradigm that I serve Him under.
In that day... some will be surprised at how quickly I became "one of them" because they never knew that I was one of them all the time. We are here. We are temporarily silent. And we are many.
We await the day that the dream God has placed within us because a reality. When God places a dream it will come to pass. One need only walk in patience and belief.
BTW... It is SO good to hear from you Carp.
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