Bernard, from his books that I have read, is very slick. He tries hard to make UPC doctrine seem like typical Christianity. To outside Christians he wants us to be accepted instead of being called a cult.
In one of his books I read I was reading and thinking man this is great stuff and then I get to the very last chapter and he has just a few paragraphs saying how we still have to have water baptism and speaking in tongues to be saved. To me that is a little deceptive.
Here is a debate between Bernard and a trinitarian preacher. At one point in the debate Bernard tries to say that the UPC worships the same God that the trinitarians do but they just have a different explanation. The trinitarian would not accept that and said that Bernard worshiped a different God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq3KgEPFMpQ
Now, having seen this clip it makes me wonder. Would Bernard, after trying to convince the trinitarian that they do worship the same God, would he (Bernard) say that the man is saved? This seems a little slick to me. He wasn't mainstream Christianity to accept him but not the other way around.
I am not sure what clip it is but the debate is worth watching.
Last edited by deltaguitar; 10-01-2009 at 01:18 PM.
My blood is still pumping. Because, the FIRST time someone tells me to take my hair down and lay it on prayer requests or ANYTHING that would just TEAR IT and be IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's nothing wrong with overseeing multiple churches, notofworks. That isn't a step "down." If done correctly, it's still serving the kingdom of God.
It's an elected, manmade position. It's political. That never happened in the bible, nor anything CLOSE to it. I don't think it CAN be done correctly, but I also understand that that those who believe in these kinds of positions are going to disagree with me.
I believe the position is called "General Superintendent", not "Bishop."
A rose by any other name.... It's the office not the title. I know plenty of people who have the title "Bishop" who absolutely do not fill the office...not even remotely.
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It's an elected, manmade position. It's political. That never happened in the bible, nor anything CLOSE to it. I don't think it CAN be done correctly, but I also understand that that those who believe in these kinds of positions are going to disagree with me.
Are you saying there were never any elections in the bible?
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It's an elected, manmade position. It's political. That never happened in the bible, nor anything CLOSE to it. I don't think it CAN be done correctly, but I also understand that that those who believe in these kinds of positions are going to disagree with me.
So Paul didn't oversee multiple churches? It seems that he did. He certainly was involved in the affairs of churches he wasn't pastoring.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
My blood is still pumping. Because, the FIRST time someone tells me to take my hair down and lay it on prayer requests or ANYTHING that would just TEAR IT and be IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!
I'm going to slap you again, David!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even if it actually works?
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LOL!
. It's the office not the title. I know plenty of people who have the title "Bishop" who absolutely do not fill the office...not even remotely.
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