Oneness people aren't saved?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Oneness as far as I know was NEVER successionist. Oneness asserts Father, Son and Spirit, since the incarnation, are similtaneous

I agree with you on the way it "oughta be;" but the way it is usually seems to follow a successionist mindset:

"Father in creation, Son in redemption and Holy Ghost in the church..." Many Oneness preachers even have a "plan" for doing away with the "Sonship" because they aren't happy with that succession going on for too long.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Id say the Logos "co-existed with God" is an interpretation.

The Logos was WITH God. With is from the greek pros with has the meaning towards generally. In the accusative it can mean pertaining to and has been translated "within" in certain cases like the Pharisee praying within himself.

John later explains the Logos is Eternal Life pros God. Eternal Life can't be separate or distinct from the Father, particularly since the Father is the SOURCE of Eternal life.

And yet...

John had every opportunity to tell us that "The Father was made flesh and dwelt among us..." but he never said that. Instead he said that something which had been "with" the Father "in the beginning" was made flesh and dwelt among us.

John and the apostles "beheld His glory" - - - NOT as "the Father manifest in the flesh..." BUT as "as of the only begotten of the Father" (John 1:14).

There is clearly a complexity that John is trying to convey to us concerning the nature of God. Yes, "God was manifest in the flesh" because the Word (Logos) was and is God (John 1:1).

But again, why all the verbal gymnastics in John 1:1-14? Why not just tell us "Jesus is God" just like a Oneness preacher today would and skip all of the "pros ton theon..." verbiage?

The Logos was "begotten of the Father."

The Logos was "with God" in the beginning.

The Logos was made flesh and dwelt "among us" (the apostles and that time period).

As a man, the Logos prayed to the Father and longed for the "glory" that the Logos had "with the Father" "before the world was."

The Logos is clearly indicated as being "something" which shares the Nature and Deity of Almighty God - yet the Logos is also clearly "something" that is distinct from God the Father.

See also, Ephesians 4:6 - God in His transcendence (above all) is self contradictory to God in His immanence (through all).