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Originally Posted by tstew
I have no problem with people and companies making money. My pastor likes to build and sell vintage motorcycles in his spare time. My problem (and I think it is obvious to many people...including the IRS) is with the great number of people who are taking and consuming obscene amounts of money from people who can't afford to give it. I just know too many people who are being victimized by those selling blessings and healings and deliverance and the favor of God and 55 promises and financial breakthrough...and anything else that comes to mind.
Either way, I guess that's not the point of this thread. This is just a huge issue for me.
If this were a problem with the IRS - wouldn't we know it? As far as I know - this is NOT a problem with the IRS, it is a problem with NBC and CNN and the media. I have not seen anywhere where the IRS has investigated these ministries and found them in violation of anything.
I don't watch the fund raising but I guess some do. If you do see them fund raising - isn't it usually for TBN? They do not get that money - TBN does and what the minister do in the fund raising telethons is NOT what they do in their crusades or conferences.
Why are people that give "victimized"? I just don't get your obsession with these guys raising finances. I am sure some had a problem with Jesus and Paul when they dealt with finances too!
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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*
How do you define earned?
Good question! Well, I'd say, in the case of a minister, the people he "ministers" to would get some benefit from the preaching etc., and they willingly give money to the ministry. (Not directly to the man. That may be OK for small-time preachers on the road or pastoring a small church, e.g., but when there is a substantial organization in place, it's probably not a good idea. Just a hunch, but I think this would open things up to suspicion, even if there's really nothing shady about it.)
There should be a salary, set by a board of directors, in line with the value provided by the minister. It could certainly be a large salary, if the situation warrants it, and if the organization can afford it. Other legitimate expenses should not suffer because of it, and there should definitely be nothing "under the table", and all ministry expense should be legitimate, reasonable, and properly accounted for.
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If this were a problem with the IRS - wouldn't we know it? As far as I know - this is NOT a problem with the IRS, it is a problem with NBC and CNN and the media. I have not seen anywhere where the IRS has investigated these ministries and found them in violation of anything.
I don't watch the fund raising but I guess some do. If you do see them fund raising - isn't it usually for TBN? They do not get that money - TBN does and what the minister do in the fund raising telethons is NOT what they do in their crusades or conferences.
Why are people that give "victimized"? I just don't get your obsession with these guys raising finances. I am sure some had a problem with Jesus and Paul when they dealt with finances too!
Some of these guys are the reason that many people are looking at changing church tax exemption laws. I know of them doing it on TBN for TBN, on TBN for their own shows, on other networks, in person, in church services televised, in church services not televised, via their websites, and anywhere else people will listen.
I'm not sure that the problem is just raising finances. It is the pretext that they are raised under and how they are ultimately consumed.
And I'm pretty sure that Paul and Jesus were not quite like some of these guys when it comes to lifestyles, what they coveted, and ultimately what was important to them.
I don't wish to make any of this personal with you...it's just something that's personal with me.
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Originally Posted by Timmy
Good question! Well, I'd say, in the case of a minister, the people he "ministers" to would get some benefit from the preaching etc., and they willingly give money to the ministry. (Not directly to the man. That may be OK for small-time preachers on the road or pastoring a small church, e.g., but when there is a substantial organization in place, it's probably not a good idea. Just a hunch, but I think this would open things up to suspicion, even if there's really nothing shady about it.)
There should be a salary, set by a board of directors, in line with the value provided by the minister. It could certainly be a large salary, if the situation warrants it, and if the organization can afford it. Other legitimate expenses should not suffer because of it, and there should definitely be nothing "under the table", and all ministry expense should be legitimate, reasonable, and properly accounted for.
Just do a little research into how other non-profit CEOs are paid...what percentage of the overall money goes to them versus for-profit CEOs. Something is badly out of whack.
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Re: News Flash*** Benny Hinn and Wife Divorcing***
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Originally Posted by tstew
Just do a little research into how other non-profit CEOs are paid...what percentage of the overall money goes to them versus for-profit CEOs. Something is badly out of whack.
In BH's case, I'm sure you are right. And I'm pretty sure the "honestly earned" part of the equation is missing!
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How much does your Pastor make?
How much does your DS make?
How much did NAU make?
How much will DB make?
Quite a bit of difference now isn't it? Anybody know of any guys at WEC that double dipped for years and flew first class everywhere and stayed in 5 star hotels and ate very expensive meals that cost hundreds of $$$? Nah, we don't know any like that do we? Let's talk about the TV preachers - we can talk about them because WE DON'T HAVE TV'S! LOL
Re: News Flash*** Benny Hinn and Wife Divorcing***
I'm sad to hear of Benny Hinn's marriage problem. I certainly hope that he and his wife can reconcile and work together to repair the marriage and make it healthy again. IMO, divorces are commonly caused by both parties actions, not just one.
As far as the wasteful spending, there is no justifiable reason for a minister to use "minstry" finances to pay for $2000-$3000 hotel rooms. None, period. That is a ridiculously lavish lifestyle that not only reflects bad on television preachers, but is a blatant misuse of money that could have been spent for "ministry" (you know like actually ministering to people) purposes.
Ministers who use that type of judgment with their spending habits lack any credability with me.
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Re: News Flash*** Benny Hinn and Wife Divorcing***
[QUOTE=Sam;879382]He was born at Joppa/Haifa, wasn't he?
This would just be going back home.
I doubt if his divorce will make any difference on TBN but it may affect his funds coming in.
Some believe the Apostle Paul was married but his wife did not share his newfound faith in Jesus and left him and he lived a single life after that.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'd say, in the case of a minister, the people he "ministers" to would get some benefit from the preaching etc., and they willingly give money to the ministry. (Not directly to the man. That may be OK for small-time preachers on the road or pastoring a small church, e.g., but when there is a substantial organization in place, it's probably not a good idea. Just a hunch, but I think this would open things up to suspicion, even if there's really nothing shady about it.) 
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