The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save - Page 51

TheLegalist · #**501** 04-05-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

I think you do but I'll get more specific. Are the elements of repentance, baptism by immersion in water in the name of Jesus Christ, and the infilling of the Holy Spirit as evidence by speaking in other tongues the ONLY way to heaven/salvation? Separate from the above description, is there any way to heaven/salvation?

it is the entrance point of specific aspects of our relationship unto eternal life which is all based upon faith.

expectations

hearing the Word
repentance/turning
result baptism which should be accompanied
by the manifestation of the Spirit before or after.
The apostles expected to see the Spirit manifested and so should we.
then we continue to walk according to his leading and revelation by his Word confirming.

notofworks · #**502** 04-05-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

it is the entrance point of specific aspects of our relationship unto eternal life which is all based upon faith.

expectations

hearing the Word
repentance/turning
result baptism which should be accompanied
by the manifestation of the Spirit before or after.
The apostles expected to see the Spirit manifested and so should we.
then we continue to walk according to his leading and revelation by his Word confirming.

Do you have any experience as a politician at a press conference? I'll try another way:

Aside from any other things that must be present, can a person make it to heaven that has not repented or been baptized by immersion in water, or been filled with the Holy Spirit as evidence by speaking in other tongues?

Yes? No?

TheLegalist · #**503** 04-05-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Do you have any experience as a politician at a press conference? I'll try another way:

Aside from any other things that must be present, can a person make it to heaven that has not repented or been baptized by immersion in water, or been filled with the Holy Spirit as evidence by speaking in other tongues?

Yes? No?

I would say no...

notofworks · #**504** 04-05-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

I would say no...

Ok, fine. I have never spoken in tongues. Is there any chance I'll go to heaven without doing so?

KWSS1976 · #**505** 04-05-2010, 01:25 PM

Per your quote Legalist....Just what manifestation did the apostles see in the phillipian jailer that convinced them..

it is the entrance point of specific aspects of our relationship unto eternal life which is all based upon faith.

expectations

hearing the Word
repentance/turning
result baptism which should be accompanied
by the manifestation of the Spirit before or after.
The apostles expected to see the Spirit manifested and so should we.
then we continue to walk according to his leading and revelation by his Word confirming.

TheLegalist · #**506** 04-05-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Ok, fine. I have never spoken in tongues. Is there any chance I'll go to heaven without doing so?

I am not your judge God is. I believe the Spirit will manifest/pour out himself. Don't know you nor your story and even if I did doesn't matter as it's God who does the work not us. Can you be under the covenant of Christ without baptism? No! Did the Spirit manifest his acceptance to you? obviously no thus as far as I know. Did you receive the HS when you believed as Paul asked in Acts 19? It's not about blind faith one has but knowing by manifestation without question of witness. One cannot ask that question if blind faith of reception is what Paul was thinking.

TheLegalist · #**507** 04-05-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Per your quote Legalist....Just what manifestation did the apostles see in the phillipian jailer that convinced them...

He came into covenant at baptism. Whether he was filled by the Spirit, does the text say?

notofworks · #**508** 04-05-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

I am not your judge God is. I believe the Spirit will manifest/pour out himself. Don't know you nor your story and even if I did doesn't matter as it's God who does the work not us. Can you be under the covenant of Christ without baptism? No! Did the Spirit manifest his acceptance to you? obviously no thus as far as I know. Did you receive the HS when you believed as Paul asked in Acts 19? It's not about blind faith one has but knowing by manifestation without question of witness. One cannot ask that question if blind faith of reception is what Paul was thinking.

Nooooooooooo.......please don't resort to the "God is the judge" speak. Come on, either stand for your position or don't. Either it's really important or it's not.

I have intense faith in Christ and my life is centered around Jesus. I believe I have the Holy Spirit in my life based a scripture. But I have not, and have absolutely no intention, to follow your formula. While I was baptized in Jesus' name, I do not baptize entirely that way.

So how much do you believe in your position? Do you believe in it enough to tell me that I will not be in heaven? And to make it easier, I'll add an answer to choose from.

Question:
Based on what I've said, will I be in heaven?

Answer:
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) I'm not sure.

TheLegalist · #**509** 04-05-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Nooooooooooo.......please don't resort to the "God is the judge" speak. Come on, either stand for your position or don't. Either it's really important or it's not.

I have intense faith in Christ and my life is centered around Jesus. I believe I have the Holy Spirit in my life based a scripture. But I have not, and have absolutely no intention, to follow your formula. While I was baptized in Jesus' name, I do not baptize entirely that way.

So how much do you believe in your position? Do you believe in it enough to tell me that I will not be in heaven? And to make it easier, I'll add an answer to choose from.

Question:
Based on what I've said, will I be in heaven?

Answer:
a) Yes.
b) No.
c) I'm not sure.

I have already answered your question. post 503 and I did not dodge. God is your judge in the present. Have you received the HS since or when you believed?

notofworks · #**510** 04-05-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

I have already answered your question. post 503 and I did not dodge. God is your judge in the present. Have you received the HS since or when you believed?

But when I ask, point-blank, if I'm going to heaven, you won't answer.

Yes, I absolutely have been filled with the Holy Spirit as defined by scripture.