But, you know what I meant. As far as anything significant towards attaining righteousness is concerned, we cannot improve ourselves.
It was in the context of notofworks' words:
Why did you not say something when he said it?
OK.
Hey, notofworks! Speak for yourself! Seriously!
But actually, yes I knew what you meant, and, in terms of the theology you both accept (while arguing -- endlessly! -- over the details), you are both right. You can't, on your own, be good enough for God to save you from His wrath. God insists on perfection. Any slip-up, no matter how tiny it might seem to us (in our limited minds), is punishable by death.
But, of course, that is exactly what bothers me about your theology. I summarized it in my list of things you believe (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...207#post807207). Only the logic of faith allows you to believe both 1) God will punish people for not doing the impossible and 2) God is just. (Providing a way to escape that punishment doesn't help much, considering the small percentage of us that will hear it, and understand it, and believe it, and obey it, and keep it till the end of our lives.)
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But actually, yes I knew what you meant, and, in terms of the theology you both accept (while arguing -- endlessly! -- over the details), you are both right. You can't, on your own, be good enough for God to save you from His wrath. God insists on perfection. Any slip-up, no matter how tiny it might seem to us (in our limited minds), is punishable by death.
But, of course, that is exactly what bothers me about your theology. I summarized it in my list of things you believe (http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...207#post807207). Only the logic of faith allows you to believe both 1) God will punish people for not doing the impossible and 2) God is just. (Providing a way to escape that punishment doesn't help much, considering the small percentage of us that will hear it, and understand it, and believe it, and obey it, and keep it till the end of our lives.)
I'm going to answer Bloomer's last heretical post to me, but I need to wait until I have a spare 4 hours or so. His flippin' posts are so flippin' long, I have to read them in sections and then answer when I've got the day off. I think he might be using the filibuster method.
Right now my life is centered around 12:30pm (my time). That, for you ungodly non-golf, non-Tiger fans, is when The Masters coverage comes on.
"God neither asks nor accepts any other sacrifice than that which Christ offered once for all upon the cross. Go ye next to the foolish among your own countrymen...who think by their gifts and their gold, by their prayers and their vows, by their church-goings and their chapel-goings...by their baptisms and their confirmations, to make themselves fit for God; and say to them, 'Stop, "it is finished"; God needs not this of you. He has received enough; why will ye pin your rags to the fine linen of Christ's righteousness?... Why will you add your counterfeit farthing to the costly ransom which Christ has paid in to the treasure-house of God? Cease from your pains, your doings, your performances, for "it is finished"; Christ has done it all.'" --C. H. Spurgeon
"God neither asks nor accepts any other sacrifice than that which Christ offered once for all upon the cross. Go ye next to the foolish among your own countrymen...who think by their gifts and their gold, by their prayers and their vows, by their church-goings and their chapel-goings...by their baptisms and their confirmations, to make themselves fit for God; and say to them, 'Stop, "it is finished"; God needs not this of you. He has received enough; why will ye pin your rags to the fine linen of Christ's righteousness?... Why will you add your counterfeit farthing to the costly ransom which Christ has paid in to the treasure-house of God? Cease from your pains, your doings, your performances, for "it is finished"; Christ has done it all.'" --C. H. Spurgeon
Quibble all you want Bro. I don't see you "coming down from the cross" any time soon.
Thew cross is the highest issue in the Word, and since I have come UP TO IT, no way am I GOING DOWN FROM IT! Awesome God!
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I'm going to answer Bloomer's last heretical post to me, but I need to wait until I have a spare 4 hours or so.
Heretical? What is heretical, or something like it (lol), is you claiming I believe we can earn salvation and we can improve on ourselves.
Like I said, righteousness is a gift and is REQUIRED! So what is wrong about the Holy Ghost being a gift and required?
You now are hereby granted three raspberries.
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