Re: Understand How Metrosexual Your Worship Leader
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey
No, pretty much culture defines what behaviors are acceptable for boys and girls. That's not saying there aren't physiological "innate" differences.
If it's behavioral, that only further proves that behaviors are learned.
This is the nature vs. nurture, which I don't believe is an either/or but a both/and. However, the list that is featured on this post is definitely ALL culturally defined. Nothing innate there.
Right. Which is why I think that the list, while entertaining, is basically useless. We know a prissy guy by his affinity for feminine behavior--not because he wears a scarf or black-rimmed glasses.
I think culture enhances basic femininity and masculinity, but a lot of it is innate, because we see common threads cross-culturally.
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Re: Understand How Metrosexual Your Worship Leader
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Right. Which is why I think that the list, while entertaining, is basically useless. We know a prissy guy by his affinity for feminine behavior--not because he wears a scarf or black-rimmed glasses.
I think culture enhances basic femininity and masculinity, but a lot of it is innate, because we see common threads cross-culturally.
Just to continue the conversation (really only prompting qs here), what is "feminine behavior?" Is this list not examples of such behavior being played out?
In other words, is a guy who is shy also feminine? Is a man who doesn't like sports, but prefers music and arts innately feminine?
Re: Understand How Metrosexual Your Worship Leader
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey
Just to continue the conversation (really only prompting qs here), what is "feminine behavior?" Is this list not examples of such behavior being played out?
In other words, is a guy who is shy also feminine? Is a man who doesn't like sports, but prefers music and arts innately feminine?
I'm not so interested in interests and choices, Jeffrey, as I am personality traits & mannerisms.
We can joke about a guy's music choices, but the truth is a manly man can like Beethoven and a prissy guy can like Led Zeppelin.
I'm not going to make a list, because there are exceptions to rules. You and I both recognize a prissy man or a butch woman when we see one. And often it's a deliberate aberration on their part. e.g., it's not as if they would start acting manly or feminine if they were handed a DO's/DON'Ts list.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Re: Understand How Metrosexual Your Worship Leader
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I'm not so interested in interests and choices, Jeffrey, as I am personality traits & mannerisms.
We can joke about a guy's music choices, but the truth is a manly man can like Beethoven and a prissy guy can like Led Zeppelin.
I'm not going to make a list, because there are exceptions to rules. You and I both recognize a prissy man or a butch woman when we see one. And often it's a deliberate aberration on their part. e.g., it's not as if they would start acting manly or feminine if they were handed a DO's/DON'Ts list.
Well, I think rather explicit or implicit, we both have a "list" of how we determine what is masculine and feminine. It is surely definable.
I know what you mean by "you just know." But that "just knowing" isn't so metaphysical, it's an unconscious list of criteria in our minds that informs us "this behavior is not acceptable for men" etc.
Re: Understand How Metrosexual Your Worship Leader
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
real men were skirts
And frilly, lacy shirts. lol
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And often it's a deliberate aberration on their part. e.g., it's not as if they would start acting manly or feminine if they were handed a DO's/DON'Ts list.
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