Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bill

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Most of the "xenophobic and scaremongering" language has come from the Left who seek to create an atmosphere of oppression and fear with their overblown rhetoric and hyperbole.

Besides, you already lost this argument when you compared your polemic opponents to "nazis." Godwin's Law.

Actually, by pushing newspaper headlines of illegal drug smugglers shooting and raping people, there is a growing perception of all illegals as violent criminals. Xenophobia is spreading. Scaremongering... comes with the turf.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Actually, by pushing newspaper headlines of illegal drug smugglers shooting and raping people, there is a growing perception of all illegals as violent criminals. Xenophobia is spreading. Scaremongering... comes with the turf.

It is selective news reporting which fits my call of propaganda ... which Pela responded to by flopping like Charles Barkle by feigning insult and boohooing about name calling while calling for my repentance ...

simply because I mentioned that like all politicos, including Goebells (Nazi) and the White House ... and your local school district ...

It all can be manipulated to make a point. Goebells noted as an extreme and dangerous example.

Of course, CNN and Fox don't engage in any of this ... depending on who you speak to. The likes of Sean Hannity make a career of it ....

Bravo! Pela doing his best con impression after their partially contrived Jen Franklin controversy.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I would take you up on this, except the very passage of this bill, I believe would appeal to the least nobel of human vices. Deputies, citizens and immigrants alike. I see this bill as more than a pot stirrer, but as an instigator. I actually expect crime to rise! Surprise, surprise! Maybe those headline-pushing, demonizing, Mexican-Immigrants are all rapists, will have more ammunition. All works right into their hands.

I don't see the real violent immigrants willfully being pulled over, or taken into custody. I don't see non-violent immigrants reporting crimes or seeking medical attention (in fear of deportation). This will smother and push underground a people into paralyzing fear. The result will most assuredly be violence from some. Victimization for others.

But maybe even then I'd consider keeping the talley. Except, how do we know all those who felt hassled by this bill? Who will keep score? Arizonians will be quick to print crime though. Not a fair shake here for tallies.

Of course not ... it's faulty apriori thinking and Pela knows better

They would have been guilty of this and most likely apprehended sans this bill ... because they are hard-core criminals ....

and deported ... after knowledge of their legal status found out .... as has happened in most cases prior ... most importantly after being found guilty of murder...

This bill in no way changed or helped in this matter...

But by all means spend valuable time and bandwidth ... tallying.

I will be organizing.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Swing by and pick me up. That'll help a lot with my feelings of victimization. And, then we can have RandyWayne hike us down to the bottom of the Canyon. There are some stromatolites there that'd I'd love to get some pictures of.

If anybody stops us while you're driving I'll owe you an ice cream!

I like mine with vanilla and double M&Ms.

My tail light is out.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Apostolic 2:38

"To clarify, DAII mentioned there being Pastors who themselves are illegal immigrants. This wasn't about Pastors who have saints who are illegal immigrants."

Are you calling illegal immigrants who are washed in the blood, saved in Jesus name, and telling others about the love of God, saints???
N david please stop, you are starting to sound christian....LOL..

You just mad that I said that if big business wants cheap labor that they should find help in the trailer parks....Tell your kinfolk Bubba I said hi...

It's white 'brothers' like you that I would NEVER think about joining a UPC church...However thank the good Lord there are still people like Bruce Howell..(FM director)

Sigh God bless ya.

[Pressing-On]

This is an example of what we are dealing with on the crime issue with the drug cartels. Very close to Roma, Texas. This is why we take the immigration reform seriously. These are "undocumented" people whom we cannot trace in the event of a crime. This is the point of being in favor of not having open borders!

CAUTION: The link is graphic!

http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=8419

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This is an example of what we are dealing with on the crime issue with the drug cartels. Very close to Roma, Texas. This is why we take the immigration reform seriously. These are "undocumented" people whom we cannot trace in the event of a crime. This is the point of being in favor of not having open borders!

CAUTION: The link is graphic!

http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=8419

PO, the article also perfectly illustrates why people might be trying to escape into the U.S. "...people...are leaving in droves...."

Horrifying pictures.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

PO, the article also perfectly illustrates why people might be trying to escape into the U.S. "...people...are leaving in droves...."

Horrifying pictures.

That is true also, but it's happening in the border towns on our side. I've been in Zapata, Nuevo Laredo, etc.. They issued warnings for us, this past Spring break on the news, to stay away from the border towns.

They need to clean up their own country before decrying that we are being unfair. Go fix your own lawless country - don't bring it here.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That is true also, but it's happening in the border towns on our side. I've been in Zapata, Nuevo Laredo, etc.. They issued warnings for us, this past Spring break on the news, to stay away from the border towns.

They need to clean up their own country before decrying that we are being unfair. Go fix your own lawless country - don't bring it here.

I agree--appreciation for our country with its blessings and freedom ought to be expected. However, I wouldn't want to send any good people back to that kind of atmosphere.

To me, this shows how the bill might be helpful, because people who behave so savagely won't care about obeying "little laws" either--and maybe they can be caught and deported.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I agree--appreciation for our country with its blessings and freedom ought to be expected. However, I wouldn't want to send any good people back to that kind of atmosphere.

To me, this shows how the bill might be helpful, because people who behave so savagely won't care about obeying "little laws" either--and maybe they can be caught and deported.

No, I wouldn't want to send the good, hard working ones back. My husband has the authority to turn some in right now, but he doesn't. He was joking with a guy the other day, "I could make $50 and be rich!" LOL! They just laughed because they know he won't turn them in.

Anyway, you are right, that is where the bill is helpful. The deporting is another big issue. They just come back a few days later. It's like the underground railroad, in a way, they have a path that gets them back in. That's what we need to get strong on stopping.

A friend of mine, on the City Council, was railing on how we aren't enforcing the deportation because the businesses make money by the cheap labor. It's just a mess.

I just don't like the danger. You have to be careful not to look or smile at them because they think you are flirting. Grown up with that all of life. It's so annoying.

I want to walk into Walmart and yell "La Migra!!!!" and watch them scatter. LOL! I better get off this subject. It riles me up way too much.