Was every Jew responsible for the crucifixion?

mfblume · #11 08-20-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

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I always believed in corporate guilt.

So you are saying that all Jews in that day were responsible corporately for the cross as Peter said?

I am saying that Israel was responsible but not that all Jews were.

So all Jews did not comprise Israel?

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Wait. Let me get your point straight. You believe Peter spoke of Corporate guilt in Acts 2:23, 36, right?

Yes, Israel was guilty for Christ's death.

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Do you believe that when Peter referred to them saving themselves from that untoward GENERATION, it was a reference to corporate guilt?

No, I do not believe that.

The fact is that GENERATION refers to the corporate people at that day. If not, what does it refer to? In effect, you leave the individual Jew of that day without escape from Israel who was guilty of the cross, leaving Jews unable to be saved then.

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And yet there is no repentance required for corporate guilt?

None. You can only repent or turn from the things you yourself do.

I think that is extremely wrong. Corporate guilt means individuals have guilt they share with other individuals. And you are saying the blood of Jesus cannot expiate that guilt.

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The truth is Peter offered them escape from corporate guilt by repentance. Their guilt was for sin. Individual or not, the individual escaped the corporate guilt by repentance.

The truth is that Peter offered them salvation by turning toward Jesus and being baptized. They could not repent for crucifying Christ because as individuals they didn't cause it. They could turn toward Jesus though. That is the repentance that Peter spoke of.

That makes nonsense out of Peter's intention of preaching Israel's sin, then. Sorry, your thoughts do not make sense, j. Saving themselves from that generation was individual escape from corporate guilt.

Why did God destroy ALL JERUSALEM 40 years later? In history, the church fled the city due to Matt 24's instructions. Some of those jews who crucified the Lord corporately were later saved and escaped. All other Jews were left to face the havoc. WHY?