Covenant?

Originally Posted by Vegas

The ability to do something does give the choice... and it subjective to the will of God... if God so changes his mind, then it is no longer the same... right and wrong is subjective and not objective.... By saying it is not subjective you are implying it is objective meaning that it is superfluous to any outside opinions... FALSE... it is subjective to the will of GOD.

Again, merely having the capacity (physical or mental ability) to do something does not give us the right to choose whether or not to do it. Also, there is nothing "subjective" about the will of God. His will is absolute and God does not ever "change his mind." As for your suggestion that I'm implying something, I don't imply - ever! I made a very clear statement: "it is not subjective to the will of God (subject to the will of God but not subjective)" and there is nothing else to be derived from that statement. There is nothing subjective about right and wrong. I'll grant you that right and wrong are subject to (under the authority, determined by) of the will of God; however, God's will is immutable.

The right is granted by ability.... a choice is not defined by law or restriction more or less it IS defined by ability. By saying someone does not have a choice, you are saying there is an ABSOLUTE decision meaning that someone else has predefined the outcome. God gave man the choice he said not to eat or you will "surely die". If there were to be no choice given, there would have been no tree.

Again, ability (capacity, capability) does not constitute having a right. A person may very well be physically and mentally capable (ability) of committing murder but the law does not give him the right (choice) to murder and, thus, the restriction is very definitely defined by law and not by ability. Further, I am indeed saying that God's law and God's will are absolute and that God has decreed the end from the beginning. And, no, God commanding Adam and Eve not to eat from that one tree and telling them that the consequence if they disobeyed would be death is not giving them the right to choose!

Man in his stupidity (or should I say woman), weighed the consequences and decided so. In this she made three inherent choices... to disobey God, to obey the devil, to eat rather than not.

I doubt very much that either Adam or Eve weighed the consequences of their disobedience. The only thing Eve was thinking was that the fruit looked good and that eating it would make her "wise" and "like God." Adam didn't appear to even be thinking: he simply took the fruit that Eve gave him and he ate.