Race Card Anyone

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

You did not ask me, but I will answer.


Historically speaking, whites have used the laws and the institutions of this country to oppress non-whites. Even when the prejudice was not mal-intentioned (like lowered expectations because of skin color alone), the sting of that was perpetuated across the board and felt across the board until you had a country which had written "her citizens of color a bad check," to borrow words from Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Historically, blacks were simply not given the same tools, same chances, same opportunities for upward mobility in our society. That limitation was effected by a wide variety of means, and not necessarily always in concert.


RACISM is SYSTEMIC-- blacks have NEVER BEEN ABLE TO USE "THE SYSTEM" IN A WAY TO TARGET WHITES, to prevent them from voting, to stymie economic progress, to bring destruction to their families and communities. However, the results of white prejudice in this country has culminated in all of this and more for blacks in America!

Despite our TREMENDOUS PROGRESS, the realities of some blacks today are the direct results of RACISM-- that systemic racial prejudice that has plagued our country for over two hundred years.

A group of thugs beating up a white kid just because he is white is terrible-- but IT IS NOT, NEVER HAS BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE SYSTEMIC! Neither will it EVER be codified by law!


Racial prejudice is different from racism.

Both are wrong.

Racism implies POWER hatred, and ignorance.

Prejudice implies hatred and ignorance.

Racism is along with abortion, is America's greatest sin, and Jermyn, you are correct, all of the efforts to correct the damage done by racism is extremely lacking. We each understand racism thru our only eyes and experience, I never heard my parents make a racist remark. Yet, our community has a very dark and evil history, that is buried so deep that our current citizens have no clue. It is only in the cross that we all can find repentance and healing.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Believe or not, race was huge in that trial. If OJ was white or victoms were'nt blonde hair blues eyes, he would have been convicted, IMO. Unfortunately, many still can't look past race in when judging a person or situation.

The victims were white. No matter how white the victims were OJ would have gotten off. Everyone after the trial were saying "It's about time". Nobody really said "I knew he was innocent"...it was about time

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Mark was Johnny's ace in the hole, from the record he is a slimeball!! OJ's lawyers were just better than the state's. The prosecutors' were pathetic.

The prosecution was very pathetic. First of all the only reason Darnell was on the team was cuz he is black. They played their own race card. Marsha? good grief, that whiny voice. She cared more about her mid trial makeover than the trial

[berkeley]

If it doesn't fit you must acquit...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You're confusing the issue, which was if the prosecution could validate the testimony of the detective then YES I want them to take what he said because it was validated. Whether the man is a racist or not is irrelevant.

Remember? You mentioned validating what he said. IF his testimony could be validated by the prosecution then it's valid regardless of this man's feelings towards other races

What he said was automatically invalid because he said it.

It would have been impossible to validate his testimony-- his character got in the way.

Why don't you understand that no matter what he said, there was no way that he could have been validated, given the circumstances of this particular trial?

Wasn't he even accused of planting evidence at the scene?

The Prosecution may have done better to ask for a mistrial at some point. They shot themselves in the foot trying to use him. But why did they try to use him? Could it be that he was the highest ranking police officer in charge and involved in this case from the beginning?

If yes, then you want to convict a black man, leading to a possible death sentence for that same black man, based in large part on the testimony and expertise of a racist white man? A racist white man, police officer, who was caught in a lie in the same trial in which that black man is on trial-- you really think there was any way to validate him?

When asked if he planted evidence at the scene, Furhman plead the 5th!

But you think that he could have been, or maybe should have been validated?

How?



Justice was served. I was glad then that OJ was found not guilty and I am glad now. There were too many doubts created to convict him.



When you hear of people saying they are glad, don't assume it is because they are glad those two white people died, or that a black man was able to allegedly murder two whites and get away with it. No one in their right mind would be glad for that, regardless of their skin color.

This is rare, but I will take this liberty. WE were glad that OJ was found, "Not Guilty" because we saw a Justice system at work and saw it work out in a way where this black man was not found guilty just because it looked like he could have done it.

His innocence was noticeably presumed, maintained, and confirmed using the same justice system that had historically not worked for blacks in the same way when the chips had been stacked against us.


He fought the system and won, using the system-- that same system that has doomed so many innocent blacks in this country in this century alone.



Minorities seemed to never triumph within the CRIMINAL Justice System-- before OJ. It is a sweeping generalization, but that was and is the general "feel" I got from listening to some people, blacks and whites during and after that trial.

He won and justice was served all within the system. His innocence speaks of the fairness of our Criminal Justice system and the progress our country has made.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Furthermore, the OJ case exposed just how corrupt some were in the LAPD, validating the accusations of mistreatment and injustice that minorites have endured at the hands of police officers all over the country.

Or maybe you think that the LAPD is the only American Law Enforcement agency that has members who boast of abusing the same people they are charged to protect.

Think about it! When Furhman was asked if he planted evidence, he plead the 5th!

How can that sit right with anyone?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The victims were white. No matter how white the victims were OJ would have gotten off. Everyone after the trial were saying "It's about time". Nobody really said "I knew he was innocent"...it was about time

Yeah, I know they were white, but what i was trying to convey was if they were not white he would have been convicted, IMO.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Yeah, I know they were white, but what i was trying to convey was if they were not white he would have been convicted, IMO.

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Care to elaborate?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

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Care to elaborate?

I think race was huge for this trial, If the victems were not white I have doubts he would have got off. As you pointed out for years the system as been against blacks this one time it was reverse. I think some had the we got a chance tio stick to them this time mentality due to all the past injustices.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I think race was huge for this trial, If the victems were not white I have doubts he would have got off. As you pointed out for years the system as been against blacks this one time it was reverse. I think some had the we got a chance tio stick to them this time mentality due to all the past injustices.

I think stats will show that if you are black and you perpetrate a crime against someone who is black then your chances of getting convicted or getting the maximum sentence is less that if you are black and your victim is white.


If OJ was white and the victims were white, then Furhman's racist actions and thoughts would never be discussed. More than likely, he would never have perjured himself and would have never had to plea the 5th about planting evidence because the trial would have gone in a different direction.