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Originally Posted by Maximilian
 I can see Moses befuddled, cursing and plucking his own beard! That was rich!
If something is vague and then fulfilled, what does that mean? What then, are we still under the Law? Too many references in Hebrews and Galations (among others) that articulate that the Law has brought us to this point, but that we are no longer under the Law. It's not the same as saying the Law is done -- but rather, to keep the Story in focus, the Law has been fulfilled. It's here. It looks different. The Messiah perfectly fulfilled the role of the Law, to bring us to God.
When you say Grace is more restrictive, I think I get what you say, but it almost makes me cringe. Grace is freeing, liberating, not restrictive. Grace is not a higher stack of codes and regulations, it's one massive one that governs our entire life-thought. It helps us live life fully, abundantely.
So, to you, the only difference between the Law and Grace is the person's motive? It has nothing to do with Law and Grace itself? And when you say "now I do it," what do you mean? Do what? The Law?
Living life fully, authentically and openly before God -- if we have to say it this way -- is much more "challenging" than just complying with rules anyday. When someone tells me what to wear, there's an early period of resistance (no one enjoys being a slave), but then conformity becomes quite easy. But living life where we must each follow after Jesus, allow sanctification to transform, listen for His voice, trust each other in community and grow --- that can't be done on our own... takes Grace.
When I say Christ perfectly fulfilled the seat of Moses -- that's what I mean. I'm not a Dispensationalist at all... but it's something we agree on in concept. |
Christianity should be based on relationship, not law or even freedom from it.
Just because a man can stay out all night and have "buddies" that are women without his wife divorcing him, doesn't mean it's good to do that. If a man is only committed to marriage/divorce or Heaven/Hell issues he's headed to divorce court and hell. The law was a our schoolmaster...pointing us to Christ. Just because we are out of school doesn't invalidate the truth that we learned while enrolled. Motivation matters...Jesus said "if you love me keep my commandments" (
John 14:15)
As an adult I push myself to learn more than while enrolled in college...not because I HAVE to...but because I WANT TO.
The truth is...EVERY church has a line of obedience to the law...even the most liberal. I don't know of many who would ask Black Sabbath to lead worship. The question is...where do you draw that line? To say that we are "free from the law" would mean we were embracing anarchy. There HAS to be law that we are subject to...(not just a undefinable puffy cloud of love of God that no one can explain).
When we look at the end time church described in Revelation...IT IS NOT A PHARISAICAL CHURCH bound by strict adherence to the law of Moses. The Antichrist would have a hard time Pastoring that one...
It's a church that has no problems holding hands with every other religion/doctrine on earth. Who does that best describe? Either we are not living in the last days or the modern mega church in America..particularly here in Houston, describes exactly what John said would happen. Or do you think John just saw Catholics? Contrary to what many now believe, obedience to doctrine does matter. Jesus said...IF you love me...Keep my Commandments. Which commandment was he referring to? Do we get to decide? Shouldn't we keep ALL of them not just the ones that we like?
Did Jesus call the Apostle Paul? Was he in the will of God when he wrote his epistles? Should we tear out all scripture past the four gospels? If Paul spent so much time correcting the doctrine of the churches...shouldn't all doctrine matter? Is it possible that the Endtime would not only have an Anti-Christ but also Anti-Pharisees (copyright 2010). Again...the "Endtime Apostate Church" is NOT DESCRIBED BY SCRIPTURES AS A PHARISAICAL CHURCH...but a carnal one who's flushed doctrine like a dead gerbil. They will also embrace ALL other doctrines/churches/religions and belittle those who stand for truth. I have decided...I want to make sure...I'm not in THAT church. Guys...I just really really want to be saved. Nothing this world has is worth missing Heaven.
God Bless...
Rob McKee (copyright 2010)
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