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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
1)I never said "Pel is wrong, but I don't know why." I have admitted to not being on his level concerning the theories of science. I definitely have a very basic understanding of science, and haven't kept up with it up until now. However one thing I know is that true science is deomstratable, and what is being passed off continually are undemostrateable unprovable assertions.
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Prax was summing up your posts in his own words. I thought he pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Go back and work on the speed of light for a bit. You will find some nonsensical "YEC" attempts at wrangling this one, but none of them can offer a single explanation as to why we see complex events occurring millions and even billions of lights years away from us.
It takes TIME for light to travel through space. AND, the light we see isn't just "starlight" traveling in straight and neat little beams that "God could have 'created' when He created the stars..." No.
The light we see reveals complex events taking place over both long and short periods of time. We even see the light being "bent" by the passage of large gravitational masses (gravitational lensing) and the light interacting with particles in space between us and the light source.
If God had intended for the heavens to declare His glory and NOT to deceive us, then He sure went to A LOT of trouble to deceive us.
Psalm 89:35, is a favorite of mine when it comes down to understanding these things:
"Once have I sworn by my holiness that
I will not lie unto David."
There. I KNOW the universe is BILLIONS of years old because God said that He would never lie to me. He called me by name and said that He would never lie to me!
... and every other guy named "David," ... but still, it's there. When I measure distances in space and calculate the time it takes light to travel those distances, I can do so confidently because I know that God isn't just jerking us all around when we observe nature.
It's really there. Understanding it does take some work. But we can trust what we are dealing with.
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
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Again, the real issue is a basic denial (not re-interpetaion) of scripture. Pelathias has already came down against these portions of scripture:
1)the creation account of Genesis 1&2
2)the creation of a literal man, named Adam
3)the biblical flood as recorded in Genesis 6
4)the table of nations in Genesis 10
5)the literalness of biblical geneolgies
I am rather confused at which portions of scripture you guys believe to be literal historical events, and which ones you reject, because you reject the literal creation, but accept the ressurection. On what basis do you accept the literal bodily ressurection of Jesus Christ? Plenty of people see it as merely symbolic or spiritual.
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You are "confused" because you are being dishonest. When did I "come down hard" on ANY "portion of Scripture?" I really want to say...
HOW DARE YOU!
You are being dishonest and deliberately misrepresenting everything I have said. The Bible is the Word of God and it is YOU who have dishonored it by demanding that everyone come and kneel before your idols.
... and you have completely failed to even show us where God or the Bible "named" the man in the garden "Adam." I tried to help you with a little bit of Hebrew and a brief Bible lesson and showed you that the KJV translates the Hebrew phrase "the man" into "Adam" when the text itself never even tells us that this was the man's "name!"
Respond to that conundrum BEFORE you falsely accuse me. I also said that China, Japan, Korea, Polynesia and all of the Native American cultures weren't listed in
Genesis 10. You have to show us where they were before you say "I came down hard on a portion of Scripture."
I'm "coming down hard" on ignorance. I am "coming down hard" on false accusations. I am "coming down hard" on both yours and coadie's method of "discussion" that involves you guys tap dancing and prevaricating (look it up coadie) around without answering the tough questions.
The fact that you've made a mess of your Bible theology doesn't mean that I don't believe The Word of God. It just means that you've made a mess.
... and despite the hyperbole in our "discussion," I do appreciate your condolences and kind words. I can't describe the sound a young mother makes when her baby stops breathing in her arms, but despite the loss we are anchored to a "lively hope,"
1 Peter 1:3.
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