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Old 10-24-2010, 10:17 PM
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thanks Jeffrey,
No problem.

It took much un-learning for me, but I am finally to a place now where I can read through Acts and be comforted about the power of God, without hearing in my head countless doctrinal cliche's.

Was the "Apostle's Doctrine" (teaching of the Apostles) the teachings of Jesus, their Rabbi? Or something new?
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:33 PM
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NOW or Jeffrey, I am curious of your views on Peter using the "keys to the Kingdom" in Acts 2, and where He used them if he did?
Keys to the Kingdom used by Peter?

Well in Acts chapter 2 he told the Jews on their feast of Pentecost
"Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Acts 2:21)

In Acts chapter 3 he told some Jewish people to repent and be converted so their sins could be blotted out (Acts 3:19)

In Acts chapter 8 he and John were sent to Samaria by the Bishops, Elders, and Apostles in the Jerusalem church to give recognition to the folks there that had been saved and to minister the Holy Spirit baptism to them. (Acts 8:14-17)

In Acts chapter 10 he told a group of Gentiles that whoever believes in Jesus receives forgiveness of sins (Acts 10:43)

Then he sorta disappears from the scene



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I'm wondering when the question on this thread will finally be answered? Any ideas?
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Why do y'all think Jesus was baptized?
Was he baptized in Jesus' name and speak in tongues? Man, I sure hope so. Heaven wouldn't be any fun, without Jesus there.
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Was he baptized in Jesus' name and speak in tongues? Man, I sure hope so. Heaven wouldn't be any fun, without Jesus there.
Some of the old timers used to preach that Jesus spoke in tongues on a few occasions such as:
Mark 5:41
Mark 7:34
Mark 14:36
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Some of the old timers used to preach that Jesus spoke in tongues on a few occasions such as:
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Mark 15:34
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Was he baptized in Jesus' name and speak in tongues? Man, I sure hope so. Heaven wouldn't be any fun, without Jesus there.
Reminds me of a story.

Some years ago my son told me about his youngest son.
One of the Sunday School teachers said something about Jesus dying.
The little guy said, "Well, I wondered why we never saw Him around here."
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Reminds me of a story.

Some years ago my son told me about his youngest son.
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The little guy said, "Well, I wondered why we never saw Him around here."
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NOW or Jeffrey, I am curious of your views on Peter using the "keys to the Kingdom" in Acts 2, and where He used them if he did?


I might be too late to answer this now, but I'll give it a stab.

Since there is no clear meaning given to this and since it's never referred to again, we're left to conjecture, I suppose.

Seemingly, on the surface, keys are something that grant access, keys open doors, and Peter was the one who preached the sermon which birthed the church. The gateway to the New Testament establishment of the church was opened by Peter in Acts 2.

I believe we could consider the possibility that Jesus, knowing the ways in which Peter would fail miserably, gave this endorsement to Peter, not necessarily for Peter's benefit, but for the benefit of the other disciples and maybe even for those far into the early church age.

Following Peter's fiasco by the fire during the crucifixion, would he have been allowed into the company of the others if it had not been for Jesus' endorsement? I think it's something to consider.

Further down the road, Peter fell victim to legalism and a bit hypocrisy and it took Paul "withstanding him to the face" to straighten him up. Consider the difference between what Paul had to say about others who attempted to bring Judaism into the church, and simply correcting Peter.

But regardless, we're never told directly what the keys were.
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