Apostolic Identity??

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by notofworks

To make grammatical sense, it would need to be, "Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] a follower of Christ.

And of course, the "am" is added by translators so we don't have a direct match. I don't think we know that Paul meant to say "as I follow Christ".

Point is, the bible doesn't say, "Follow me as I follow Christ."

You are right, the Bible doesn't. But that is what Paul said.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by scotty

This is my take as well, I have attended several UPC most of my life but I have not seen some of the things that get brought up here, if they are true then its sad, just hasnt been my experience. But it is assumed that the whole org is such a terrible thing.

I haven't seen anything like I've been reading here either....maybe some personality conflicts and some getting off the truth in how to treat others, but my pastors were not of anything but love...three steppers and one steppers alike. At one point we had an usher who was refusing to allow people into the church (vistors mind you) that weren't dressed what he thought they should be...the pastor brought that to a screeching halt and not long after that particular usher was gone.
I don't see the fairness in painting the whole org with a broad brush, but that's just my opinion.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by notofworks

To make grammatical sense, it would need to be, "Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] a follower of Christ.

And of course, the "am" is added by translators so we don't have a direct match. I don't think we know that Paul meant to say "as I follow Christ".

Point is, the bible doesn't say, "Follow me as I follow Christ."

Does this fit?


1 Corinthians 4:16 (King James Version)

16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

[whoami]

Originally Posted by sandie

I'll be very interested to find out exactly what the exchange was.
Will you post your findings in this thread?
Thanks in advance for your efforts.

Sure, after I check it out I'll post it and the link.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by whoami

Sure, after I check it out I'll post it and the link.

Thank you!

[Sabby]

Shouldn't the term Apostolic Identity = Jesus Follower?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by notofworks

To make grammatical sense, it would need to be, "Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] a follower of Christ.

And of course, the "am" is added by translators so we don't have a direct match. I don't think we know that Paul meant to say "as I follow Christ".

Point is, the bible doesn't say, "Follow me as I follow Christ."

Being "of Christ" isn't anything different than being a follower of Christ.

But the theme of this epistle begins with the controversy of who to follow

1Co 1:12 What I mean is that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," or "I follow Apollos," or "I follow Cephas," or "I follow Christ."

The NKJV reads
Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

"I also" comes from the greek word Kago which is also a first person, nominate pronoun which is from two words Kai (and, even) and ego (I)
..............

64.14 καθά; καθώςc; καθόa: markers of similarity in events and states, with the possible implication of something being in accordance with something else—‘just as, in comparison to.’
καθά: καθὰ συνέταξέν μοι κύριος ‘just as the Lord had ordered me’ Mt 27:10.
καθώςc: καθὼς γὰρ ἐγένετο Ἰωνᾶς τοῖς Νινευίταις σημεῖον ‘for just as Jonah became a sign to the Ninevites’ Lk 11:30; καθὼς ἠγάπησέν με ὁ πατήρ ‘the same way as the Father loved me’ Jn 15:9.
καθόa: τί προσευξώμεθα καθὸ δεῖ οὐκ οἴδαμεν ‘we do not know what we should pray for as we ought to’ Ro 8:26.

Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Vol. 1: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament : Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (618). New York: United Bible societies.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Cindy

You are right, the Bible doesn't. But that is what Paul said.

Huh?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by sandie

Does this fit?


1 Corinthians 4:16 (King James Version)

16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Just looking for the verse that says, "Follow me as I follow Christ."

Did you have any luck with finding "God inhabits the praises of His people"? You can be a millionaire today!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Being "of Christ" isn't anything different than being a follower of Christ.

But the theme of this epistle begins with the controversy of who to follow

1Co 1:12 What I mean is that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," or "I follow Apollos," or "I follow Cephas," or "I follow Christ."

The NKJV reads
Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

"I also" comes from the greek word Kago which is also a first person, nominate pronoun which is from two words Kai (and, even) and ego (I)
..............

64.14 καθά; καθώςc; καθόa: markers of similarity in events and states, with the possible implication of something being in accordance with something else—‘just as, in comparison to.’
καθά: καθὰ συνέταξέν μοι κύριος ‘just as the Lord had ordered me’ Mt 27:10.
καθώςc: καθὼς γὰρ ἐγένετο Ἰωνᾶς τοῖς Νινευίταις σημεῖον ‘for just as Jonah became a sign to the Ninevites’ Lk 11:30; καθὼς ἠγάπησέν με ὁ πατήρ ‘the same way as the Father loved me’ Jn 15:9.
καθόa: τί προσευξώμεθα καθὸ δεῖ οὐκ οἴδαμεν ‘we do not know what we should pray for as we ought to’ Ro 8:26.

Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Vol. 1: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament : Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (618). New York: United Bible societies.

Prax, I'm being a brat here. You don't have to translate the bible for me.