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06-18-2007, 08:54 PM
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NI, Are we overreacting a bit? No one is arguing that we should stop calling on Jesus at the baptismal ceremony.
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Sorry Bro, but have you read the entire thread?
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06-18-2007, 08:56 PM
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Sorry Bro, but have you read the entire thread?
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Here and there only, I don't know that I read it all. Pardon me if I was wrong.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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06-18-2007, 08:57 PM
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A few of my rambling thoughts after starting this thread and reading responses. First off, I am oneness to the core. I love the oneness for what it is and what it means that God did for us on Calvary. I will NOT compromise my belief which I believe is FIRMLY founded in the word of God. I have never taught anything different and have spent considerable amount of my energy studying and teaching it.
That being the case, let me state that I used to be extremely dogmatic that anyone who believed in the Trinity was lost, no passing go etc! I was a firebrand against anyone who believed in trinitarianism. Because I "knew" I was right, I felt justified in un-Christian behavior toward trinitarians. It is sooooo easy to take pot shots at folks you don't know and are already convinced smell of "sulphur." 
However, when you begin to really know and begin to pray with some of these folks who you are convinced are lost and find out that they really have a relationship with Jesus Christ (correct understanding or not) you realize that your beliefs don't jive with reality. I'm not talking about "nice" people. I'm talking about godly people; Christian people; HG filled people. Their relationship with God cannot be denied due to the fruit that is evident in their lives. Jesus stated that we would know them by their fruits.
I'm certainly not saying that we ignore error. What I am saying is that many trinitarians are not near as tri-theistic as we paint them. Others are just as tri-theistic as some of us say. I have heard from both camps. It has been my experience that the really tri-theistic ones are more of the exception rather than the rule.
To label all or even most trinitarians influenced by demons or state that they are willfully rejecting truth, IMO, is just not correct. We ALL have our areas where truth needs to shine more brightly just like the trinitarians we so easily castigate. What makes my area of need any less than theirs?
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06-18-2007, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
NI, Are we overreacting a bit? No one is arguing that we should stop calling on Jesus at the baptismal ceremony.
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Predominating formulas are:
1. “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”
2. “In the name of Jesus Christ
3. “In the name of the Lord”
Within these we find scriptural basis for each.
1- Matthew 28:19
2- Acts 2:38
3- Acts 10:48
Are we to argue which of these is the "biblical" formula? Did not Peter say to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ? He never did say in the name of Jesus ....
We are arguing over the pronouncement that the baptizer says ... yet there is no scripture that says that the baptizer must get it right ... conversely it says that the person who believes and calls on the name of the Lord is saved ... should the baptizee be the one invoking the name?
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06-18-2007, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
A few of my rambling thoughts after starting this thread and reading responses. First off, I am oneness to the core. I love the oneness for what it is and what it means that God did for us on Calvary. I will NOT compromise my belief which I believe is FIRMLY founded in the word of God. I have never taught anything different and have spent considerable amount of my energy studying and teaching it.
That being the case, let me state that I used to be extremely dogmatic that anyone who believed in the Trinity was lost, no passing go etc! I was a firebrand against anyone who believed in trinitarianism. Because I "knew" I was right, I felt justified in un-Christian behavior toward trinitarians. It is sooooo easy to take pot shots at folks you don't know and are already convinced smell of "sulphur."
However, when you begin to really know and begin to pray with some of these folks who you are convinced are lost and find out that they really have a relationship with Jesus Christ (correct understanding or not) you realize that your beliefs don't jive with reality. I'm not talking about "nice" people. I'm talking about godly people; Christian people; HG filled people. Their relationship with God cannot be denied due to the fruit that is evident in their lives. Jesus stated that we would know them by their fruits.
I'm certainly not saying that we ignore error. What I am saying is that many trinitarians are not near as tri-theistic as we paint them. Others are just as tri-theistic as some of us say. I have heard from both camps. It has been my experience that the really tri-theistic ones are more of the exception rather than the rule.
To label all or even most trinitarians influenced by demons or state that they are willfully rejecting truth, IMO, is just not correct. We ALL have our areas where truth needs to shine more brightly just like the trinitarians we so easily castigate. What makes my area of need any less than theirs? |
You state it very well and I agree 100%
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-18-2007, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Predominating formulas are:
1. “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”
2. “In the name of Jesus Christ
3. “In the name of the Lord”
Within these we find scriptural basis for each.
1- Matthew 28:19
2- Acts 2:38
3- Acts 10:48
Are we to argue which of these is the "biblical" formula? Did not Peter say to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ? He never did say in the name of Jesus ....
We are arguing over the pronouncement that the baptizer says ... yet there is no scripture that says that the baptizer must get it right ... conversely it says that the person who believes and calls on the name of the Lord is saved ... should the baptizee be the one invoking the name? |
I believe the believer must call on the name of Jesus prior to or at the moment of baptism... The one doing the dipping can preach a sermon or say nothing at all. If the prerequisite is met then the candidate is baptised in Jesus Name.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-18-2007, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I believe the believer must call on the name of Jesus prior to or at the moment of baptism... The one doing the dipping can preach a sermon or say nothing at all. If the prerequisite is met then the candidate is baptised in Jesus Name.
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Does the person have call on the name on the same day?
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06-18-2007, 09:17 PM
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Thank you, Thank you very much
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06-18-2007, 09:18 PM
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Did I miss the punchline????
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06-18-2007, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Does the person have call on the name on the same day?
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Ideally I would say yes!
a.) The first act of a new believer is to be baptised
b.) A new believer should be calling on His name several times a day
c.) Any ceremony and especially baptism, should have an invocation where those present should call on God through Jesus Christ.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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