To some youth, Christian Rock is viable worship music. But to me, it is from the pits of hell I was delivered out of when I returned to the church. Even some contemporary Christian music has the same spirit. It is hard to get a youth to understand this. The "words" can be all about Jesus, but the spirit behind the song, which I recognize because I was there, is not of God at all.
Not everyone understand what I am saying, and there is no way for me to give you understanding. Some are more sensitive than others in certain area's. It doesn't make one more spiritual than another. It is just Gods giftings within the church.
I agree. I was at the Youth Congress in Nashville in 2003 and while service was great for the most part, when the Christian rock group performed, I felt funny in my spirit, even though there were several who didn't mind it at all. I chalked it up to my being old...LOL...but I felt something in that music I didn't like, and judging from those around me, most of them youths also, they felt it too.
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First of all, do me a favor and don't tell me what I can or can't do. I'm in charge of that area of my life. Thanks.
Secondly, BS stated several times about the spirits he was feeling, and thus the reason I applied that statement to his comments about the music. If I'm wrong, he'll be sure and tell me, I promise you.
Lastly, I was not there, so I'm only going by the statements made by those who were.
I was at the WI campmeeting last night and thought it was great. Now, someone else could come on here and speak about the evil spirits they felt, and while I disagree as none were felt by me, how can I tell them they didn't feel any when I'm not residing in their body and mind?
If BS states what he felt at a campmeeting, you all have a right to disagree, but you are also judging your statements on what you felt, just as he is doing. You have the right to do that just as he is doing. There is no difference in the two.
I tell you what. I will end my conversation with you here because I am in charge of that area of my life.
None of my statements were based on feelings. I was at neither camp and have no desire to be so I have no feeling one way or the other. I was just going by what I read and participating in the conversation.
The bottom line as I read it and not as I feel it...BS made some very damning remarks concerning the spirit that the worship was of and those who are offended by it have the right to question what he said and defend those to whom it was said about.
I tell you what. I will end my conversation with you here because I am in charge of that area of my life.
None of my statements were based on feelings. I was at neither camp and have no desire to be so I have no feeling one way or the other. I was just going by what I read and participating in the conversation.
The bottom line as I read it and not as I feel it...BS made some very damning remarks concerning the spirit that the worship was of and those who are offended by it have the right to question what he said and defend those to whom it was said about.
It's not your statements that are being challenged here, but Bro. Strange's, and his opinions were based on what he felt. Our feelings need no backup with facts nor defense by others.
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According to Rev. Strange, after he attending the La. Campmeeting Service on Wednesday nite, he sensed the sounds of idol worship and chanting during the service. This nite, the worship was lead by MM and the worship team from the POA.
Here is Rev. Strange remarks concerning the worship from this nite.
"Moses coming down the mountain heard strange music. He heard a strange sound. He knew something was wrong from the sound. Someone could have said, "Oh never mind, Moses, these young people have come up with their own sound. They ware worshipping the Lord in their own way and music."
Moses would have known better. He was right. The music was the sound of worship of an idol made of gold. Such sounds will always be different than that of divine consecreation music. The sound of the uncircucised should not be hard to recognize for those that have their ears and eyes turned toward heaven.
I am hearing the worship of an idol. While we have stood stoutly with our standards at the front door of the church, the enemy has slipped in through the back door and has erected an idol in our very midst, under our noses and we did not see it coming. "
The songs that were sung that nite were "There is No God Like Our God", "How Great Is Our God", "How Great Thou Art", "When I Speak Your Name" and "To Worship You I Live".
According to Rev. Strange, this was the music that caused the "Idol Worship" and "weird chanting".
You possibly need to use caution when using these songs in your worship service!!
Bro. Strange presented his discernment in a very strong and offensive way, and he has been duly rebuked by many on this forum. Bro. Strange has rebuked the rebuke and now it is a stalemate. More than enough has been spoken by more than enough folks, so if your are not a part of the problem nor a part of the solution......PLEASE HUSH UP ALREADY!!!!!
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Where Israel failed God was not in there dress code.
They failed God in that they gave their affection to things that were not of Him, by Him, or from Him.
There is plenty of space made in this modern church for us to play the part, and sound the part to the carnal ear and mind--and yet give our affection to things that are not of God. Often, we don't even realize it, and are found wanting in the Spirit because we are worshiping things that are not God, while we have some how "churchified" them and have thought them spiritual.
It is not necessarily the song, or even the singer. It can be sung right, sung well, by one whose heart is right, and yet be received wrong, and the spirit that is not of God be present, even while others are being blessed in the Holy Ghost. If we are not discerning enough, this strange mix can take place and no one realize it from the back of the platform to the back door.
I am not saying that this is what Bro. Strange means, as he is well able to speak for himself, but still, I am troubled as I have felt this many times--and seen the strange effects that it brings. Yes, I am chiming in and saying that this happens and it happens in meetings where our greatest and most anointed leaders are at--and many of them do not recognize it--partly because there are many great things happening at the same time and they are caught up in the good.
Just for the record, I think AM and MM are awesome, and GAM and VM are head and shoulders above many. I differ with AM's stance on the TV thing, but think his argument is the most compeling and actually believe that should this go--he will handle it far better than most--and actually use it well for the kingdom...even though it may do damage in other ways eventually.
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According to Rev. Strange, after he attending the La. Campmeeting Service on Wednesday nite, he sensed the sounds of idol worship and chanting during the service. This nite, the worship was lead by MM and the worship team from the POA.
Here is Rev. Strange remarks concerning the worship from this nite.
"Moses coming down the mountain heard strange music. He heard a strange sound. He knew something was wrong from the sound. Someone could have said, "Oh never mind, Moses, these young people have come up with their own sound. They ware worshipping the Lord in their own way and music."
Moses would have known better. He was right. The music was the sound of worship of an idol made of gold. Such sounds will always be different than that of divine consecreation music. The sound of the uncircucised should not be hard to recognize for those that have their ears and eyes turned toward heaven.
I am hearing the worship of an idol. While we have stood stoutly with our standards at the front door of the church, the enemy has slipped in through the back door and has erected an idol in our very midst, under our noses and we did not see it coming. "
The songs that were sung that nite were "There is No God Like Our God", "How Great Is Our God", "How Great Thou Art", "When I Speak Your Name" and "To Worship You I Live".
According to Rev. Strange, this was the music that caused the "Idol Worship" and "weird chanting".
You possibly need to use caution when using these songs in your worship service!!
I asked for clarification on the chanting and what was meant by "spirit", but no reply
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I agree. I was at the Youth Congress in Nashville in 2003 and while service was great for the most part, when the Christian rock group performed, I felt funny in my spirit, even though there were several who didn't mind it at all. I chalked it up to my being old...LOL...but I felt something in that music I didn't like, and judging from those around me, most of them youths also, they felt it too.
I don't think you guys are implying this, but the genre of music at the particular service being discussed was not "Christian Rock".
However, I have no issues with that genre of Christian music!
Mooneys church is full of tv, and is gone charismatic too!
IF you read the initial post, there was only a mention of Bro Strange's dismay of what he sensed within his spirit concerning the LA campmeeting itself. He did not name anyone by name.
This is the problem in a nutshell........what 'he sensed within his spirit concerning the LA campmeeting itself".
I just got back from the campmeeting, and thought I would get online and see if anyone would be giving a report. WOW! Did they ever!
This has truly been one of the best campmeetings I have ever attended.
Yes, Bro Strange, it was different.....there were changes.
First of all, it started on Tuesday night instead of Sunday. There wasn't nearly the amount of singing that we usually had.....didn't even have a choir singing Friday night, which is a first, I think. The preliminaries were cut short. Just wonderful, wonderful teaching and preaching.
Chanting? Sounds of dogs barking, horses neighing? I think I read that on the other thread. I didn't hear any of that, although with around eight thousand people in attendance, you do get some 'strange' people.
I find it strange that someone would zero in on someone receiving the offering, instead of commenting on all the good things we heard and felt.
I also find it strange that someone would go and buy a black shirt to wear to a service where the music seems to be demonic.......???
So that's why!?! 
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