What was the purpose of this thread? You just wasted a thread to belittle someone. I understand that Bro. Strange's thread was posted out of concern, but this was posted to mock Bro. Stange. God help us to have a godly love for one another.
Ditto. This is exactly right. He was concerned about a spirit, not a person, and it was concern, not sarcastic mocking. I'd much rather hear someone who can be transparent and share their feelings, even if I disagree. And I'm not saying I disagreed with him. However, I have no room in my life for mocking and arrogance. That is about as far from a Godly character as you can get.
This is the problem in a nutshell........what 'he sensed within his spirit concerning the LA campmeeting itself".
I just got back from the campmeeting, and thought I would get online and see if anyone would be giving a report. WOW! Did they ever!
This has truly been one of the best campmeetings I have ever attended.
Yes, Bro Strange, it was different.....there were changes.
First of all, it started on Tuesday night instead of Sunday. There wasn't nearly the amount of singing that we usually had.....didn't even have a choir singing Friday night, which is a first, I think. The preliminaries were cut short. Just wonderful, wonderful teaching and preaching.
Chanting? Sounds of dogs barking, horses neighing? I think I read that on the other thread. I didn't hear any of that, although with around eight thousand people in attendance, you do get some 'strange' people.
I find it strange that someone would zero in on someone receiving the offering, instead of commenting on all the good things we heard and felt.
I also find it strange that someone would go and buy a black shirt to wear to a service where the music seems to be demonic.......???
Well, obviously you're just a young whippersnapper that doesn't have the amount of spiritual discernment as the elder does to know things were different . . . and not in a good way!
Well, obviously you're just a young whippersnapper that doesn't have the amount of spiritual discernment as the elder does to know things were different . . . and not in a good way!
Ha!.......I would venture to say that I'm a LOT closer to Bro Stranges' age that I am yours!
Where Israel failed God was not in there dress code.
They failed God in that they gave their affection to things that were not of Him, by Him, or from Him.
There is plenty of space made in this modern church for us to play the part, and sound the part to the carnal ear and mind--and yet give our affection to things that are not of God. Often, we don't even realize it, and are found wanting in the Spirit because we are worshiping things that are not God, while we have some how "churchified" them and have thought them spiritual.
It is not necessarily the song, or even the singer. It can be sung right, sung well, by one whose heart is right, and yet be received wrong, and the spirit that is not of God be present, even while others are being blessed in the Holy Ghost. If we are not discerning enough, this strange mix can take place and no one realize it from the back of the platform to the back door.
I am not saying that this is what Bro. Strange means, as he is well able to speak for himself, but still, I am troubled as I have felt this many times--and seen the strange effects that it brings. Yes, I am chiming in and saying that this happens and it happens in meetings where our greatest and most anointed leaders are at--and many of them do not recognize it--partly because there are many great things happening at the same time and they are caught up in the good.
Just for the record, I think AM and MM are awesome, and GAM and VM are head and shoulders above many. I differ with AM's stance on the TV thing, but think his argument is the most compeling and actually believe that should this go--he will handle it far better than most--and actually use it well for the kingdom...even though it may do damage in other ways eventually.
Just like someone else mentioned, those same people with such discernment who are well respected people couldn't feel what Bro. Strange felt, and they are the same ones who 'prayed' Borat through to the Holy Ghost.
Seems to me that just because what BS felt wasn't felt by others means squat to how we see reality.
It's quite possible that BS is right and everyone else is wrong.
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This is the problem in a nutshell........what 'he sensed within his spirit concerning the LA campmeeting itself".
I just got back from the campmeeting, and thought I would get online and see if anyone would be giving a report. WOW! Did they ever!
This has truly been one of the best campmeetings I have ever attended.
Yes, Bro Strange, it was different.....there were changes.
First of all, it started on Tuesday night instead of Sunday. There wasn't nearly the amount of singing that we usually had.....didn't even have a choir singing Friday night, which is a first, I think. The preliminaries were cut short. Just wonderful, wonderful teaching and preaching.
Chanting? Sounds of dogs barking, horses neighing? I think I read that on the other thread. I didn't hear any of that, although with around eight thousand people in attendance, you do get some 'strange' people.
I find it strange that someone would zero in on someone receiving the offering, instead of commenting on all the good things we heard and felt.
I also find it strange that someone would go and buy a black shirt to wear to a service where the music seems to be demonic.......???
Ditto. This is exactly right. He was concerned about a spirit, not a person, and it was concern, not sarcastic mocking. I'd much rather hear someone who can be transparent and share their feelings, even if I disagree. And I'm not saying I disagreed with him. However, I have no room in my life for mocking and arrogance. That is about as far from a Godly character as you can get.
Hmmmm, according to St Matt, BS was not expressing his feelings.
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I don't think you guys are implying this, but the genre of music at the particular service being discussed was not "Christian Rock".
However, I have no issues with that genre of Christian music!
Agreed, but the principle of the statement applies in that people can feel 'spirits' from that kind of music that are less than desirable, and perhaps that's what BS is speaking of...not the music itself.
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To some youth, Christian Rock is viable worship music. But to me, it is from the pits of hell I was delivered out of when I returned to the church. Even some contemporary Christian music has the same spirit. It is hard to get a youth to understand this. The "words" can be all about Jesus, but the spirit behind the song, which I recognize because I was there, is not of God at all.
Not everyone understand what I am saying, and there is no way for me to give you understanding. Some are more sensitive than others in certain area's. It doesn't make one more spiritual than another. It is just Gods giftings within the church.
Oh great, here we go, I was waiting for THIS card to be pulled out of the deck, sheesh! Whatever Matt!!!
I remember this same hogwash about an apostolic band back in the day and if I would have listened to this nonsense, I would not have darkened a church door. It was Christian rock musicians who reached out to me and met me at the point of MY needs...I related to them and THEIR experience. Sheesh.
Although that is no longer my preference of music, I thank GOD for it, it was an avenue to HIM. Puhleeeeze, how old are you???????
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