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Re: Apostolic 101
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Do you believe that God was displeased with men and women who took a Nazarite vow wherein they allowed their hair to grow and then shaved their heads at the end of the vow? You see, while I believe that long beautiful hair is a woman's glory... I do not believe that it matters to God either way. I mean, is a woman struggling with cancer that has lost her hair now somehow displeasing to God???
I don't like "butch cuts" on women either. But... am I imposing my preference onto God, assuming that He thinks like me (making Him in my image)... or am I just confessing that I think it's ugly?
A four hundred $ suit is a low to moderate price. Well... maybe I should buy more suits. The most expensive suit I've purchased was $70.
The moment someone says that you have to abide by an unbiblical standard for Heaven, fellowship, or "sanctification"... be it with regards to suits... jewelry... pants... hair... make up... beards... sleeves... etc., they have elevated their traditon above Jesus.
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Though I understand a literal veil is discussed in Cor. 11, it does also say a woman's long hair is her glory. I don't read that as vain glory, but God-given beauty for the female sex.
No Nazarite vows are being made today, and I have no qualms with various exceptions - especially medical, but in general I believe women should have long hair.
About suits... I really don't do them. The last formal three piece I bought was over 15 years ago when my dad died. J C Penny - paid right at $400.
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05-21-2012, 01:25 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
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1 Cor 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn
It says she can cut it if she does not want to cover it...ofcourse this scripture makes no sense at all if we hold to the "uncut hair" doctrine...
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Context. Society expected the veil. The point is being shorn was not a good thing... so it bolstered the argument to wear the veil.
Now that society does not expect a veil, does it follow that being shorn IS a good thing and is no longer a beauty or a glory for the female sex?
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-21-2012, 01:53 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
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Context. Society expected the veil. The point is being shorn was not a good thing... so it bolstered the argument to wear the veil.
Now that society does not expect a veil, does it follow that being shorn IS a good thing and is no longer a beauty or a glory for the female sex?
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05-21-2012, 02:19 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
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Context. Society expected the veil. The point is being shorn was not a good thing... so it bolstered the argument to wear the veil.
Now that society does not expect a veil, does it follow that being shorn IS a good thing and is no longer a beauty or a glory for the female sex?
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American society or the whole world? 'cause in some areas of the world, christian sisters are still expected to wear a veil during praying or prophesying...
And also, if this was just a cultural thing, why then would Paul be asking "Is it comely for a woman to pray uncovered..." a rhetorical question that begs the answer no! and then go further to APPEAL to nature (man - short hair, woman - long hair) to support his notion of wearing veils?
All I'm saying is that I do not see long hair as a mandate for ladies (if 1 Cor 11 applies today...).
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05-21-2012, 02:22 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
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Though I understand a literal veil is discussed in Cor. 11, it does also say a woman's long hair is her glory. I don't read that as vain glory, but God-given beauty for the female sex.
No Nazarite vows are being made today, and I have no qualms with various exceptions - especially medical, but in general I believe women should have long hair.
About suits... I really don't do them. The last formal three piece I bought was over 15 years ago when my dad died. J C Penny - paid right at $400. |
I agree that culturally, it was her "glory". And I agree, women are more beautiful with long hair. But where does the text say that "God" has a dislike for short hair?
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05-21-2012, 02:29 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
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American society or the whole world? 'cause in some areas of the world, christian sisters are still expected to wear a veil during praying or prophesying...
And also, if this was just a cultural thing, why then would Paul be asking "Is it comely for a woman to pray uncovered..." a rhetorical question that begs the answer no! and then go further to APPEAL to nature (man - short hair, woman - long hair) to support his notion of wearing veils?
All I'm saying is that I do not see long hair as a mandate for ladies (if 1 Cor 11 applies today...). |
I think you mean you dont see it as a mandate whether it does or does not apply today...?
I am not sure about "mandate" but it still fits nicely with what we know as masculinity, femininity, and distinction of the sexes. I think God is displeased when these distinctions are blurred.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-21-2012, 02:31 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
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I know churches that do not allow Internet.
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05-21-2012, 02:33 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
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I agree that culturally, it was her "glory". And I agree, women are more beautiful with long hair. But where does the text say that "God" has a dislike for short hair?
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I think my words were that long hair is a woman's God-given glory...
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-21-2012, 02:34 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
Personally, I would not mind wearing a veil or head covering to church services. Maybe one that wraps all around the head and chin and flows down the back. That way, nobody would know to judge one's spirituality by their hair length. 
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05-21-2012, 02:43 PM
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Re: Apostolic 101
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I think you mean you dont see it as a mandate whether it does or does not apply today...?
I am not sure about "mandate" but it still fits nicely with what we know as masculinity, femininity, and distinction of the sexes. I think God is displeased when these distinctions are blurred.
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Yeah, no doubt, sexes should not blurred. But I think just short hair alone on a lady does not make her look like a guy...even when a lady loses her hair due to chemotherapy (or old age), I'm pretty sure we can still recognize her as being female.
I would think it takes more than short hair for a lady to look masculine...
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