Christians and Muslims Unite against porn

[bbyrd009]

I still appreciate your posts, Dordt-
-you make the Light shine brighter.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Mohammed married 12 times (including his adopted son's wife, Zainab) who is claimed to be a child
(Considered as incest in Arabia but a special case for the prophet, see Surah 33: 37-39).

And Christians are suppose to be working with these people to make a stand against porn? That's a joke!

Jesus: "He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth."
He was talking about the ones that deny Him as Saviour.

Never read the bible? David the adulterer?
His adopted son's wife is not a blood relative. That's not incest.

It was very common for girls to marry very very young in those days even in Israel

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

If the separation of church and state fails, then the muslims managed to do something that the Christian church could not. How well does that speak for Christians?

I'd expect the Muslims to succeed. Politics and Islam are both of this world. Christianity is not. It would only demonstrate that we had been off focus.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

First, we legislate morality all the time. Don't kill, don't steal, etc. that stupid catch phrase from the left is worn out and makes no sense at all.

You're right. However, I believe when legislating morality the GOVERNMENT should only address those issues that endanger the life, liberty, or property of another. For example, governments role isn't to ban women's pants. In keeping with this there are certain rights... such as free speech, press, privacy, etc.

Second, and most importantly this isn't legislation, this is pressuring businesses not to make it available in their place of business.

True. But it's like "mob rule". We don't like it when the church, as a private entity, is challenged by a mob to embrace or do something we disagree with, for example gay marriage. Yet these Christians are teaming up with Muslims to tell another private entity how to run their business. I think it makes it sound like unless the hotels ban this stuff in their business the poor Christians and Muslims are just too weak to resist. lol Why don't they just NOT purchase adult entertainment? This is supposed to be a free country. If I don't want adult entertainment, I don't have to buy it. If I want adult entertainment, I have the right to buy it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Reliably ignorant, at least. Hopefully you get that I
am not attempting to change your mind,
but refute your inbred, antichristian rhetoric,
as I fear that it is a commonly held misconception.

Your words might be true, strictly speaking,
but this reps most Muslims like the Pope
granting indulgences reps most Christians.

And all "separation of church and state"
is going to get you, people, is what you have
right now;

Christians divided by a (Rep/Dem) wall,
satan in charge, and his influence leaking from
every pore; and Dordt's confidently clueless posts,
where Muslims are concerned, anyway.

Although I will say that I am confident that the horrors
you all predict will come to pass; which will, of course,
be "blamed" on Muslims, instead of the humongous vacuum
created by "Christians" who worship at the altar of Politics.

Frankly, I think America will be a much better place then.
We obviously have no clue what "Iron Scepter" means right now...

Western civilization had a state church for over a thousand years and it went very very badly. Ask the over 85 million people who were executed for various offenses against the church during that period. Offenses ranged from private sexual behaviors between adults to blasphemy, sedition, and heresy.

Frankly, I look down through history and find the separation of church and state a beautiful thing. State power has ALWAYS corrupted the church. I can't find an instance when it didn't.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're right. However, I believe when legislating morality the GOVERNMENT should only address those issues that endanger the life, liberty, or property of another. For example, governments role isn't to ban women's pants. In keeping with this there are certain rights... such as free speech, press, privacy, etc.



True. But it's like "mob rule". We don't like it when the church, as a private entity, is challenged by a mob to embrace or do something we disagree with, for example gay marriage. Yet these Christians are teaming up with Muslims to tell another private entity how to run their business. I think it makes it sound like unless the hotels ban this stuff in their business the poor Christians and Muslims are just too weak to resist. lol Why don't they just NOT purchase adult entertainment? This is supposed to be a free country. If I don't want adult entertainment, I don't have to buy it. If I want adult entertainment, I have the right to buy it.

You don't have to visit a church you don't like and certainly not support it.

They are telling businesses THEY patronize, we don't want porn available to anyone that rents a room. That includes children/teenagers who might be in a room alone.

Why can't the Hotel operators make it so, on request, a room has no access to TV?

It's called "accommodation".

[ILG]

If they were to make sure that every single man and woman who was involved in porn was there WILLINGLY and not because they needed money to support their drug habit and eat food, then we might talk about 'freedom" and all that. I think porn is slavery, mostly of women. Most women in porn/prostitution would tell you they were choosing to be there, but only because they felt they had no choice but to say so. I wonder how many men who watch porn would want their wives, sisters and mothers practicing this so called "freedom"?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Western civilization had a state church for over a thousand years and it went very very badly. Ask the over 85 million people who were executed for various offenses against the church during that period. Offenses ranged from private sexual behaviors between adults to blasphemy, sedition, and heresy.

Frankly, I look down through history and find the separation of church and state a beautiful thing. State power has ALWAYS corrupted the church. I can't find an instance when it didn't.

Amen. Here's a rad idea for ya-and it just happens
to be God's idea; make the State of no effect.
Supercede it. Can't think of any shining examples of the
State that I would save or emulate...can you?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You don't have to visit a church you don't like and certainly not support it.

True... so instead of forcing a business they patronize to do something... why don't they just go somewhere else?

They are telling businesses THEY patronize, we don't want porn available to anyone that rents a room.

Isn't that the business of the next person who rents a room??? Why not tell these hotels not to rent a room out to unmarried couples??? I find it interesting that they are more interested in porn being available for viewing than actual fornicators and adulterers. Oh... and Muslims are highly offended by pork... maybe they should tell the business NOT to sell or provide any pork products. Maybe, since both groups have a high tendency to lean on public modesty, they should tell the hotels not to provide a pool with mixed swimming. Maybe the Christians and Muslims can tell the business that they have to be closed on both Fridays and Sundays. C'mon. This is stupid Prax and you know it. If I was a hotel owner I'd be concerned that if I met this demand... what demand comes next. A Koran and a Bible in the nightstand??? lol I'd then politely explain that they are only a small portion of patrons and that most patrons haven't expressed similar concerns. I'd explain that I am in the hospitality business and that the desires of my patrons is what I am here to provide. What they desire in the privacy of their rooms is entirely their business as long as it is legal.

That includes children/teenagers who might be in a room alone.

I'd say that parents need to parent their kids. Teach your kids better or supervise them. Hotels aren't daycares. Wa, wa, wa. They're your kids. And from a parental perspective... kids and teens ARE going to get curious and look this stuff up. Watch the kids. That's your job. You're the parent.

Why can't the Hotel operators make it so, on request, a room has no access to TV?

It's called "accommodation".

I'd see nothing wrong with a business providing television only by request. But then I'd charge for just basic television services. Someone has to make sure the requests are properly handled. That takes time and attention from other duties. That means... money. For an extra $5 dollars we can limit or perhaps allow television in a room (depending on how a business wants to do it).

Or... you can simply not turn the stupid thing on! Hey, go figure. Personal responsibility. lol

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by ILG

If they were to make sure that every single man and woman who was involved in porn was there WILLINGLY and not because they needed money to support their drug habit and eat food, then we might talk about 'freedom" and all that. I think porn is slavery, mostly of women. Most women in porn/prostitution would tell you they were choosing to be there, but only because they felt they had no choice but to say so. I wonder how many men who watch porn would want their wives, sisters and mothers practicing this so called "freedom"?

First, this is outside the subject. We aren't talking about porn itself. Just it's availability.

Drug addiction or not... it's an individual's choice to do it. I know plenty of people who have had drug habits... pretty bad ones... and none turned to porn to make money.