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07-09-2007, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Hesetmefree238
These three manifestations are in one, Christ Jesus. Not 3 persons, but 3
manifestations.
Col 2:9 "For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Father,
Spirit, Son - It's all in Jesus!!!!
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Thanks Bro.
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07-09-2007, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Steadfast
Dan the Man,
You know from the one time that you were here that I'm not a 'brutish' man. Never have been and never will be unless provoked and have no recourse. It's just not a part of my nature to be obnoxious... but I do stand my ground on spiritual matters. I preface my statements only to let you know that I'm not 'attacking' you or anybody else.
My issue with your post, if I read it right, is that it's like many others that seem to imply that 'God accepts your way and, while totally different, God accepts my way just as much'. Sincerely, I don't really believe that those standing on 'spiritual' polar opposites are both right. Mind you, I'm not referring to you, personally, but to the tenure of your post. Simply put, there is a right and a wrong. On many issues that people say, "I'm okay; you're okay" God genuinely has an opinion and it won't agree with both factions. He is sovereign and has a right to opinions that are totally different than ours at times.
I do believe revival is being poured out in some arenas. I also believe that some people are stripping away anointing and 'supplementing' the lack of real Apostolic power with talented attempts at entertainment. It's sad to me that I go to places that scream, "Man! We had Church!" when all they had was flashing lights and someone trying really, really hard to be 'relevant' to this generation to the point they water down the impact of a true Apostolic experience.
My observations have nothing to do with Pastor A. Mangun or even the Louisiana Campmeeting. It does have to do, however, with being in 20 states and 4 different countries in the last 12 months and seeing a whole lot of 'stuff' being called Apostolic that isn't.
We have kicking services... you saw one the night you were here. We have kicking music... you even alluded to the volume being too loud.  We have flashing lights that we use in banquets and such. My issue is with none of those things like music or modern attempts to reach the lost. My problem is the mentality that suddenly thinks that gut wrenching prayer, sincere dedication that results in a sanctified life and fearless preaching isn't enough anymore.
I think I know what you're trying to say, Brother, and I probably just misunderstood what you typed. Even so, I simply can't buy a 'the two different groups don't believe anything remotely alike but, hey, we're all going to the same place and having the same revival... and all of us are pleasing to God' mindset.
I think we ALL miss the boat by not seeking God's opinion more than we value ours.
Blessings.
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I do understand what you are saying....and I do agree for the most part.
BUT...I do believe that "we" can be on polar opposites on some issue and still be the church, i.e. Paul and Peter....Grace vs Law.
Its a centuries old situation that we will always have to deal with.
BUT...It did not stop them from receiving the blessings of God and being the Church.
OH and BRO....Its not that you music was too loud...BUT MY LORD in HEAVEN!!!..IT WAS LOUD!!!
I love it loud but that was...........WOAH MAN LOUD!!!! 
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07-09-2007, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Again I salute you. If the Trinitarians are preaching truth then we are preaching a lie because we are NOT preaching the same thing. BOTH cannot be right. Some issues are not clear so we disagree however the Oneness of God and Jesus Name baptism are NOT unclear issues that are not salvational.
Wine or juice we fuss. Pre-mid-post-PP we fuss. Mechizidec God or man we fuss. And many other topics but NOT the Godhead and Baptism in Jesus Name that will save or lose folks.
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I never said that and do not believe that....But I am not going to shy away from a song that does not have our classic One God wording.
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07-09-2007, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Alter Ego
Uhmm, actually the screen is front of me. I am talented, but not that talented. Can you even imagine? How could someone type with the keyboard behind them? 
I do not have an alter ego, I am Alter Ego! |
I met, what is now my very best friend this way....so Ill tell you like he did me over a year ago.
IF you have issue with me, or what I think, or believe..then take the issue with me.
Ill shoot you my number by pm....
That is if you are man enough to step out from the screen name long enough to put your mouth where your keyboard is.
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07-09-2007, 10:01 PM
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Senor Gunsmoke
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Originally Posted by NLYP
I met, what is now my very best friend this way....so Ill tell you like he did me over a year ago.
IF you have issue with me, or what I think, or believe..then take the issue with me.
Ill shoot you my number by pm....
That is if you are man enough to step out from the screen name long enough to put your mouth where your keyboard is.
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I'm not.
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I am not who I was.
I will not be what I am.
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07-09-2007, 10:03 PM
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Beaux's li'l buddy............
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07-09-2007, 10:08 PM
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And Jim....I still wont let you go scuba diving...
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07-09-2007, 10:10 PM
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Beaux's li'l buddy............
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Then after he went scuba diving.............
OH man I got sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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07-09-2007, 10:58 PM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Originally Posted by NLYP
Matthew 28:19 was from the Mouth of Jesus..."Baptizing them in the name of F,S and HG."
Yet Acts 2:38 Peter said in Jesus Name....Scripture is ALWAYS consistant WITH understanding.
Bottom line of my post was when we sing...."The Godhead three in one...Father, Spirit, Son"
We are singing the truth.
WE only freak out when we forget to say "manifestations" and other oneness "Lingo" to talk or sing or preach about the Godhead.
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Dan,
I have to call you on this. The song promotes a trinitarian view of God, and it does not promote truth in any way.
As Bro Epley pointed out, the bible says the three that bare record in heaven ARE one, not IN one.
But you are saying that Jesus said all of the Godhead dwelt IN him bodily.
So tell me, should I assume you understand Jesus NOT to be the Word made flesh, but the Word only dwells IN Jesus??
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07-09-2007, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by NLYP
I do understand what you are saying....and I do agree for the most part.
BUT...I do believe that "we" can be on polar opposites on some issue and still be the church, i.e. Paul and Peter.... Grace vs Law.
Its a centuries old situation that we will always have to deal with.
BUT...It did not stop them from receiving the blessings of God and being the Church.
OH and BRO....Its not that you music was too loud...BUT MY LORD in HEAVEN!!!..IT WAS LOUD!!!
I love it loud but that was...........WOAH MAN LOUD!!!! |
See, here is another issue that I have. This whole 'grace vs. law' argument is one of the things that I think so many have wrong. They take a 'I preach grace' attitude as though those who preach standards are still 'under' the 'law'. Nothing could be further from the truth.
First of all, 'the grace of God' - according to scripture - teaches us to deny worldliness. So, thus, nobody can claim 'grace' until they take a stand against worldliness. Until then nobody can truly claim a 'grace'.
But the key reason that I find a breach of Godly understanding is this whole 'grace vs. law' mentality. We have access to the grace of God but that doesn't remotely come close to eliminating the fact that God does still have some established laws. To infer that just because we have grace that it means it doesn't coexist with the established laws of God is to even cast out the 10 commandments as 'outdated'.
Nothing could be further than the truth. Grace DOES coexist with certain laws. We were released from the 'curse' of the Law but NOT the 'principles' of the Law.
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