Your tithes were already paid.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Since you have no Biblical answer to my questions you have no right to make a doctrine out of it for anybody.

Dont you agree that a N.T. doctrine should not be created when there is no N.T. verse or verses to support it?

[Sean]

If so, then please give me a verse that teaches us that "tithing was an eternal universal command"

[Sean]

If there is no verse to present, then why do you say such a thing.


Tithing should be a non issue in the N.T. church, just like sacrifices, etc,. Right?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Really? You are really going there?

Okie dokie.

Please show me how the scripture I quoted does not have to do with money.

Please show how Strong's Greek Dictionary is in error.

I wait with baited breath.

Perhaps this will help:

http://www.ada.org/en/science-resear...ion/toothpaste

[shazeep]

6Remember this:j The person who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and the person who sows generously will also reap generously. 7Each person should do as he has decided in his heart — not reluctantly or out of necessity, for God lovesk a cheerful giver.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Perhaps this will help:

http://www.ada.org/en/science-resear...ion/toothpaste

Oh, in other words you are yet another AFFer not to be taken seriously.

Gotcha.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

Wow, your sounding more and more like preterist. Jesus wasn't prophesying, he was giving a Pharisee the everlasting Gospel in a nutshell.

Both portions of Scripture were spoken to Pharisee. Pharisee that were under the law. A Pharisee that was under the old covenant. Shall we do away with being born again? Because Jesus spoke to Pharisee in both instances ?
The scripture speaks for it self.

The Holy Ghost was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified. Thus the words Jesus spoke of in John 3 concerning the new birth were prophetic in nature. Please don't pretend like you don't get that. Whether the New Covenant actually began at Calvary or Pentecost is irrelevant to that point.

Read it again, Jesus didn't rebuke the Pharisee for tithing, they were tithing rightly, but they were leaving out essentials of the law, the law, the law, the law, that we still need to do. If Jesus was doing away with tithing the he was also doing away with the other parts of the law he spoke of... Namely - judgment and the love of God. No way!

Again either you're playing dumb or I simply cannot articulate a point. I never said Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for tithing. He rebuked them for tithing while ignoring weightier matters of the LAW. The Law. Did you get that? Are you a gentile under the Law? You know, that Law that sprung from the Old Covenant that was replaced? Hello? Is anyone home?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shazeep

6Remember this:j The person who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and the person who sows generously will also reap generously. 7Each person should do as he has decided in his heart — not reluctantly or out of necessity, for God lovesk a cheerful giver.

Words of the wise...thank you

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The Holy Ghost was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified. Thus the words Jesus spoke of in John 3 concerning the new birth were prophetic in nature. Please don't pretend like you don't get that. Whether the New Covenant actually began at Calvary or Pentecost is irrelevant to that point.

Again either you're playing dumb or I simply cannot articulate a point. I never said Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for tithing. He rebuked them for tithing while ignoring weightier matters of the LAW. The Law. Did you get that? Are you a gentile under the Law? You know, that Law that sprung from the Old Covenant that was replaced? Hello? Is anyone home?

Brother please read the entire post 375, everything I responded to was quoted with exactly what you said.

I didn't make anything up.

Jesus spoke to the Pharisee on both occasions before the church was born.

Do we not accept his words of encouragement in one context and do away with the other?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

Brother please read the entire post 375, everything I responded to was quoted with exactly what you said.

I didn't make anything up.

Jesus spoke to the Pharisee on both occasions before the church was born.

Do we not accept his words of encouragement in one context and do away with the other?

No, we do not ignore them. Rather we interpret them in the context of the covenant they were said, who he was addressing, and the time frame he spoke of.


Jesus told his disciples in Matthew 23....

23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

Post Calvary/Pentecost do we teach New Covenant saints to obey Pharisees? No. Thus the context of who Jesus was addressing and the times involved must be understood so as not to misapply this commandment. Jesus was speaking to Jews under the Law.

What about this commandment of Christ to the leper he healed?.....

Then Jesus ordered him, "Don't tell anyone, but go, show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your cleansing, as a testimony to them." (Luke 5:14)

Brother Perez, does Moses still command lepers to go show themselves to priests when God heals them? No. There are no levitical priests in existence in our time. Yet this was a command we find in the "New Testament", but it was made under the Law before the New covenant was implemented and applied to Jews. The same must then be said of Jesus, words in Matthew 23:23....

23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

He is addressing "teachers of the Law" who were still under the Law. He is not addressing New Covenant saints. If he is, then please explain why Matthew 23:1-3 and Luke 5:14 do not apply to us.

So I'm afraid your point simply is not valid. In John 3 Jesus spoke prophetically of a new birth that would happen only after he had been lifted up as the serpent was lifted up,and after he was glorified and poured out the Holy Ghost. Jesus was also speaking prophetically in John4 and John 7 of this same event yet to come.

The fact that he was speaking to a Pharisee in John 3 is irrelevant because he was speaking of the New Covenant yet to come. In Matthew 23 he was not speaking of things to come but of the Law the Pharisees were still under and had failed to apply properly.