19 To wit, that God(Father) was in Christ(son), reconciling the world unto himself(Father), not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Re: I thought apostolics believed Jesus is the Fat
Jesus is either the very person of God in flesh or is any given man like you or me who was simply obedient. Did God pick a man amongst thousands, like any other man and choose to Indwell him, when it could've been another man, or is that man unique because it's God's person who manifested in flesh, disallowing for the idea that it could've been any man? Is it a human person distinct, as you and I are, for the person of God? That is the issue.
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Re: I thought apostolics believed Jesus is the Fat
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That's an old time myth.
No, not an old "myth."
Yeshua is simply a shortened form of the word Yehoshua. It's the same, per any source you can find.
The name "Jesus" is an Anglicized form of the Greek name Yesous found in the New Testament, which represented the Hebrew Bible name Yeshua ("Jeshua" in English Bibles; Ezra 2:2; Neh 7:7). Yeshua, in turn, was a shortened form of the name Yehoshua ("Joshua" in English Bibles).
Yeshua (ישוע, with vowel pointing יֵשׁוּעַ – yēšūă‘ in Hebrew) was a common alternative form of the name יְהוֹשֻׁעַ ("Yehoshuah" – Joshua) in later books of the Hebrew Bible and among Jews of the Second Temple period. The name corresponds to the Greek spelling Iesous, from which, through the Latin Iesus, comes the English spelling Jesus.
Yeshua is the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Joshua.” Iesous is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Jesus.” Thus, the names “Joshua” and “Jesus” are essentially the same; both are English pronunciations of the Hebrew and Greek names for our Lord. (For examples of how the two names are interchangeable, see Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8 in the KJV. In both cases, the word Jesus refers to the Old Testament character Joshua.)
Even the abbreviated form "Yeshua" retains the original meaning: "the LORD will save." In the Greek Bible (the Septuagint, LXX), Yehoshua and Yeshua are both represented by one name: Yesous. This is also the name used later in the Greek New Testament for both Joshua (Acts 7:45; Heb 4:8) and Jesus.
Thus Jesus' Jewish Greek name represents the Hebrew "Yehoshua" and "Yeshua."
The name "Jesus" is an Anglicized (English) form of the Greek name Yesous. In the first century Yesous represented the Hebrew name Yeshua, which in turn was a shortened form of the name Yehoshua.
"Behold, God is my Yeshua/Jesus; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he also is become my Yeshua/Jesus."
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Re: I thought apostolics believed Jesus is the Fat
My son is a man, because he was begotten of me, a man. So Jesus Christ, the man "...made of a woman, made under the law,..", is deity because he was begotten of
God, the Father of creation. And no, it could NOT have been any other man/person,
for no one else has been begotten from a virgin, and without an earthly father. So
THAT IS NOT the issue.
The issue is that most "christians" seem to believe that their denomination has all
the answers, when their denomination has strayed from God's ministerial pattern of "...some apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors
and teachers...": giving the Ministry only lip service.
This bears repeating: There is only ONE Ministry, with different "offices". Each office complements the
others, and should be submissive one to another. Any authority or power manifest
by the Ministry is in direct proportion to the obedience of each Minister to the Word.
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Re: I thought apostolics believed Jesus is the Fat
why is this so hard?
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
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why is this so hard?
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
I Corinthians 15:28 "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
When Jesus is finished with the purpose of being incarnated, He will no longer be known as the son (God manifest in the flesh), but will be known as God Himself.
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Originally Posted by n david
No, not an old "myth."
Yeshua is simply a shortened form of the word Yehoshua. It's the same, per any source you can find.
The name "Jesus" is an Anglicized form of the Greek name Yesous found in the New Testament, which represented the Hebrew Bible name Yeshua ("Jeshua" in English Bibles; Ezra 2:2; Neh 7:7). Yeshua, in turn, was a shortened form of the name Yehoshua ("Joshua" in English Bibles).
Yeshua (ישוע, with vowel pointing יֵשׁוּעַ – yēšūă‘ in Hebrew) was a common alternative form of the name יְהוֹשֻׁעַ ("Yehoshuah" – Joshua) in later books of the Hebrew Bible and among Jews of the Second Temple period. The name corresponds to the Greek spelling Iesous, from which, through the Latin Iesus, comes the English spelling Jesus.
Yeshua is the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Joshua.” Iesous is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew name, and its English spelling is “Jesus.” Thus, the names “Joshua” and “Jesus” are essentially the same; both are English pronunciations of the Hebrew and Greek names for our Lord. (For examples of how the two names are interchangeable, see Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8 in the KJV. In both cases, the word Jesus refers to the Old Testament character Joshua.)
Even the abbreviated form "Yeshua" retains the original meaning: "the LORD will save." In the Greek Bible (the Septuagint, LXX), Yehoshua and Yeshua are both represented by one name: Yesous. This is also the name used later in the Greek New Testament for both Joshua (Acts 7:45; Heb 4:8) and Jesus.
Thus Jesus' Jewish Greek name represents the Hebrew "Yehoshua" and "Yeshua."
The name "Jesus" is an Anglicized (English) form of the Greek name Yesous. In the first century Yesous represented the Hebrew name Yeshua, which in turn was a shortened form of the name Yehoshua.
"Behold, God is my Yeshua/Jesus; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he also is become my Yeshua/Jesus."
That is an excellent explanation for the many forms of the name of Jesus, in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and English. I agree with it all.
None of which, however, means the name Jesus corresponds to the Hebrew word in Isaiah 12:2 for salvation.
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