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Esaias · #51 05-09-2020, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

No, I am not saying that at all. I did not, do not and never shall say that there is a fault with Antiquated English language. Please do not tell me what I know I said. lol. It is talking about remaining in it and learning more of it. It's not our love to HIm depends on whether or not we keep his commandments. Commandment keeping does not generate love for him as many might think by reading this.

" It's not our love to HIm depends on whether or not we keep his commandments. Commandment keeping does not generate love for him as many might think by reading this."

You've completely lost me. I don't recall anyone saying anything remotely similar to this. Nobody has suggested that commandment keeping generates love for God. At this point I literally have no idea what you're talking about.

He said IF we keep His commandments we will abide in His love. It's a simple if then statement. Nobody has suggested that verse is saying "if we keep His commandments it generates or creates or causes love for God in us".

I have no clue what you're talking about now, I can't make sense out what point you are trying to make.

Esaias · #52 05-09-2020, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by james34

If we love him we will keep his commandments

Some interpret "will" as having a future tense aim, for some it is so future tense that it never happens. But they were preached to that they loved God in a biblical Godly way, and that keeping his commandments is just trying to merit his love.
I have often pondered (years ago now) what the motive of our love toward God is? I have come to the conclusion that we love him because (he first loved us, not in lip service only but in demonstration.) The giving of his life is the greatest manifestation of his love, but it no where near the only manifestation. These selfless proofs of his love initiate in us a love toward God, but if the love that was born in us is true, then we will strive to keep his commandments and that is a present tense "will", not a ten years down the road "charismatic will". We will be judged not by how much we say we love God, by every idle word and by the whole word of God.
We live in a religious time where people put more emphasis on the second commandment than on the first.
The second being Love your neighbor as yourself, but the first is to Love the Lord thy God with all of thy heart, soul , strength and might......the second is like unto it and is even called the royal commandment. But it is the 2nd and not the first. The secular humanistic version of christianity can proffessdly embrace the second commandment and ignore the first.
But to accept a love absent from obedience of keeping the commandments puts us on that old slippery slope. The bible tells us upon these 2 commandments hinge all of the law and the prophets. This is true only because true love for God (the love "of "God shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost) being present in us keeps us from all of those sinful things which the commandments speak of. You dont covet things that belong to someone you love, not his property , not his wife, you dont bear false witness against someone(love thine enemy) that you love,etc. I must conclude therefore that to walk in his love cannot be separated from abiding in his word...then are we his disciples (not in lip service) but in deed.

mfblume · #53 05-11-2020, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

" It's not our love to HIm depends on whether or not we keep his commandments. Commandment keeping does not generate love for him as many might think by reading this."

You've completely lost me. I don't recall anyone saying anything remotely similar to this. Nobody has suggested that commandment keeping generates love for God. At this point I literally have no idea what you're talking about.

He said IF we keep His commandments we will abide in His love. It's a simple if then statement. Nobody has suggested that verse is saying "if we keep His commandments it generates or creates or causes love for God in us".

I have no clue what you're talking about now, I can't make sense out what point you are trying to make.

Obviously I misunderstood your posts, whether or not you intended it the way I took it, I took it that way as if you were proposing what I spoke against. Apologies. Your words were simply not clear enough in your explanation.

mfblume · #54 05-11-2020, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james34

If we love him we will keep his commandments

Some interpret "will" as having a future tense aim, for some it is so future tense that it never happens. But they were preached to that they loved God in a biblical Godly way, and that keeping his commandments is just trying to merit his love.
I have often pondered (years ago now) what the motive of our love toward God is? I have come to the conclusion that we love him because (he first loved us, not in lip service only but in demonstration.) The giving of his life is the greatest manifestation of his love, but it no where near the only manifestation. These selfless proofs of his love initiate in us a love toward God, but if the love that was born in us is true, then we will strive to keep his commandments and that is a present tense "will", not a ten years down the road "charismatic will". We will be judged not by how much we say we love God, by every idle word and by the whole word of God.
We live in a religious time where people put more emphasis on the second commandment than on the first.
The second being Love your neighbor as yourself, but the first is to Love the Lord thy God with all of thy heart, soul , strength and might......the second is like unto it and is even called the royal commandment. But it is the 2nd and not the first. The secular humanistic version of christianity can proffessdly embrace the second commandment and ignore the first.
But to accept a love absent from obedience of keeping the commandments puts us on that old slippery slope. The bible tells us upon these 2 commandments hinge all of the law and the prophets. This is true only because true love for God (the love "of "God shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost) being present in us keeps us from all of those sinful things which the commandments speak of. You dont covet things that belong to someone you love, not his property , not his wife, you dont bear false witness against someone(love thine enemy) that you love,etc. I must conclude therefore that to walk in his love cannot be separated from abiding in his word...then are we his disciples (not in lip service) but in deed.

AMEN!!!