NEWSFLASH . . . UPC in Australia on Television!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I never said it was a good thing they were back on television. I was speaking of the views willingness to forgive people of past sins and give them another chance.

Another chance at what? Doesn't the scripture demand blamelessness?

1Ti 3:2 "A bishop then MUST be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of GOOD BEHAVIOUR, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

1Ti 3:10 And let these also FIRST BE PROVED; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found BLAMELESS.

Tit 1:5-6

"For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: If any be BLAMELESS, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly."

Tit 1:7

"For a bishop MUST BE BLAMELESS, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;"

Forgiveness is wonderful but there is still a standard that you or I cannot change. That standard is set so that no one can discredit the messenger and therefore discredit the word. The Apostle Paul was in question of those who wanted to excuse him of wrong doings, but Paul was blameless and could answer those who were excusing him. The individuals that I listed could not deny any accusation of wrongdoing. They all have been forgiven of the Lord but to hold the position of elder, they are disqualified. Earl Paulk had taken advantage of ignorant women within his congregation, and Jimmy Swaggart had taken advantage of his congregation by having relations with prostitutes in Baton Rouge. While the blood of Jesus will most certainly wash their sins these individuals can no longer teach.

Rev 2:2

"I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast TRIED THEM which say they are apostles, and are NOT, and hast found them LIARS:"

In 1st Timothy 3:10 we are told that the ministers must FIRST be PROVED.
The young Evangelist Timothy was admonished to make full proof of his ministry.

2Ti 4:5

"But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make FULL PROOF of thy ministry."

We the Body of Christ forgive and forget, those who hold the position of apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers, must first be found blameless. Therefore they need to hold a higher standard and keep watch.

Going back on television no of those fallen televangelists have ever attained their previous status. Therefore they have not had that many people willing to forgive them. Or they are not ready to listen to individuals tell them to resist pornography when not only once they were caught, but multiple times they were caught (Jimmy Swaggart). Wouldn't you agree that this is not a small problem but a large one among televangelists? Wouldn't you say that God is trying to send us a message here?

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

The reason I wrote that is because you made it seem that the UPC would be doomed if one of its ministers was in a scandal.

Even a motorcycle gang understands if one of its member’s messes up it brings heat down on the rest of the group. The same goes for any corporation (who are in the public eye) and any other organization.
Its best and not its worst should judge a religion. Who shall go for us CR? Why dig through a Dumpster to find the one good biscuit at the bottom?
Television is a maggot riddle medium. Its history of religious programming has become bad to worst. Now the Apostolic Pentecostals think they will change anything? How about those Apostolics who are not UPCI had they even made a dent? Please don't bring up T.D. Jakes, because he does not actively proclaim Acts 2:38 and One God from the blue tube. He learned real quick that certain things had to be kept on the QT to be part of the cult of personality. Who are all those powerful Apostolic Jesus name preachers (who are no UPCI) who have won thousands to Jesus name message across this country? I travel all across America and EVERY WHERE I go I always ask as many as I can if they KNOW about JESUS NAME BAPTISM, the MIGHTY GOD in CHRIST and receiving the HOLY GHOST with the INITIAL EVIDENCE of SPEAKING IN OTHER TONGUES. Sadly, very sadly, they have no knowledge of these wonderful things. Where are these Apostolic Jesus Name Televangelists?

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

It would not be doomed. People are smart enough to know that within every organization there are good and bad.

They sure are and we know that because it way too late in the game and those who went before were thrown to the wolves because they didn't meet the cut. The public hates it when someone is supposed to be a truth teller, and ends up being a liar. I would expect that fine men would try their best in they went on television, but I tell you that they are entering a world that is brutal and extremely unforgiving. The United Pentecostal does not need to soil their garments with television.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

As much as I didn't like the lady, I don't believe TFB did what she did in mockery.

I guess you had never heard her routine with the homosexuals. I heard her on a radio program and almost fell out when questioned about her new pals.
It was done for the shock value. Understand what sells in America, to make a comeback one has to excentuate their gimmick. Shall we forget the eyes of Tammy Faye?

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

You really believe HQ addressed the issue? When the news broke, the only source I could find was the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. I'm sure there were other local television news stories. The StLPD ran 3 stories, two of which were on RN. Of those two stories, only one (to my knowledge) had any statement from HQ - given by KH. The other story stated that JJ had not returned any calls.

And thank you Jesus. Would we have been better served if they stood him up before God and man and stripped him naked? If it had been television that's what would have happened, and Lanny Wolf would have been barbecue.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I think HQ did their best to not address the issue. They wanted it - and RN - to go away quickly . . . and in doing so they swept it under the rug. They may have address it in the Forward, I can't remember if they did or not, but they made sure to keep it "in house" and under wraps.

Really, and your the Brother who wants television? I can see why.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

The UPCI already states that local churches are autonomous, which means they should be able to work without interference and apart from the UPCI. If you must, run a disclaimer stating the local program doesn't necessarily reflect the views of the UPCI.

What? That's even better your argument has taken a nosedive, hey why not become independent you all won't have to wait for September. You see its making sense to you, it will not work. You're a smart Brother you can see what I'm trying to say here. Disclaimer? They are going to represent their churches with a disclaimer?

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

See, it's sad that instead of thinking about ways to free the situation, you're seeking to put rules and regulations on it.

The only reason why you came up with placing a "disclaimer" because you know that each Brother is free to do as he very well pleases without having his fellow Brothers in mind. Listen if you're in an organization those are the Brothers who reflect who you are, that's why UPCI doesn't want certain things within their group, and excommunicates those who are not on the same page. That's their right as an organization and the Conference floor is where the Brothers come together to vote on the way the organization will head.

Ways of freeing the situation? Brother I'm a troubleshooter; I make sure I cut the problem off before it kills anyone.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Seems the first thing C/UC's think of is . . . what rules can we put on it? What committee can we form to be in charge of it? How could we control it?

Thank you sir may have another.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

What about the internet? There's more fake ministers and con artists posing as ministers online than there are on tv. Yet that's never stopped you from promoting a website with every post.

Two totally different dogs.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by COOPER

The anti-TV croud are more conserned about Hiding their true Image from the public eye.

Holiness is not very photo-genic and the doctrines will be put under the micro-scope.

Bump?????

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by COOPER

The anti-TV croud are more conserned about Hiding their true Image from the public eye.

Holiness is not very photo-genic and the doctrines will be put under the micro-scope.

I think I'm going to regret answering you Coop because you call the cops anytime your approached.

Your statement is an untruth, and the reason is that my argument is that the television world is full of mess, and to have Apostolics jump into the middle to compete will cause them to take on the same angles that the televangelists have taken in the past and caused them to lose out. I brought up RN, and LW, were they ultra cons? No, but they were apostolic Brothers and if they were in the middle of the lime light it would of made the United Pentecostal International fame they don't need. Cooper Jesus loves you man.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournaal.com

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Another chance at what? Doesn't the scripture demand blamelessness?

1Ti 3:2 "A bishop then MUST be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of GOOD BEHAVIOUR, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

1Ti 3:10 And let these also FIRST BE PROVED; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found BLAMELESS.

Tit 1:5-6

"For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: If any be BLAMELESS, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly."

Tit 1:7

"For a bishop MUST BE BLAMELESS, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;"

If this is the standard for ministers . . . then a lot of you should resign and turn in your cards immediately! Those scriptures aren't just for the wicked televangelists.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Forgiveness is wonderful but there is still a standard that you or I cannot change. That standard is set so that no one can discredit the messenger and therefore discredit the word. The Apostle Paul was in question of those who wanted to excuse him of wrong doings, but Paul was blameless and could answer those who were excusing him. The individuals that I listed could not deny any accusation of wrongdoing. They all have been forgiven of the Lord but to hold the position of elder, they are disqualified. Earl Paulk had taken advantage of ignorant women within his congregation, and Jimmy Swaggart had taken advantage of his congregation by having relations with prostitutes in Baton Rouge. While the blood of Jesus will most certainly wash their sins these individuals can no longer teach.

Again, if that's the standard then half or better of ministers need to turn in their cards and resign. I doubt you're blameless, and I know a lot of other ministers that aren't blameless.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Going back on television no of those fallen televangelists have ever attained their previous status. Therefore they have not had that many people willing to forgive them. Or they are not ready to listen to individuals tell them to resist pornography when not only once they were caught, but multiple times they were caught (Jimmy Swaggart). Wouldn't you agree that this is not a small problem but a large one among televangelists? Wouldn't you say that God is trying to send us a message here?

Should we list the number of non-tv ministers caught in the web of pornography, or who have left their spouses or committed adultery? It's not a tv issue . . . it's a sin and flesh issue.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Even a motorcycle gang understands if one of its member’s messes up it brings heat down on the rest of the group. The same goes for any corporation (who are in the public eye) and any other organization. Its best and not its worst should judge a religion. Who shall go for us CR? Why dig through a Dumpster to find the one good biscuit at the bottom? Television is a maggot riddle medium. Its history of religious programming has become bad to worst. Now the Apostolic Pentecostals think they will change anything? How about those Apostolics who are not UPCI had they even made a dent? Please don't bring up T.D. Jakes, because he does not actively proclaim Acts 2:38 and One God from the blue tube. He learned real quick that certain things had to be kept on the QT to be part of the cult of personality.

Right. Uh huh. I'm through debating this with you. In your view the internet is safe and okay to use for evangelism, but not television. In your view anyone and everyone who uses television for evangelism is bad, not blameless, etc. Television's a dumpster filled with maggots . . . the internet is a family-friendly place.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What? That's even better your argument has taken a nosedive, hey why not become independent you all won't have to wait for September. You see its making sense to you, it will not work. You're a smart Brother you can see what I'm trying to say here. Disclaimer? They are going to represent their churches with a disclaimer?

You have a knack for twisting things around. You insisted on rules and regulations for people representing the UPCI at large. I stated that you don't need to do that, and if you must - fine - run a disclaimer on the program saying the UPCI doesn't endorse the views of the program.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Ways of freeing the situation? Brother I'm a troubleshooter; I make sure I cut the problem off before it kills anyone.

Better cut the cord to the internet. It's destroyed more homes since its creation than television has.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Thank you sir may I have another.

Why do you keep using a quote from an R-rated movie? It's not very good behavior by you.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Two totally different dogs.

Yeah, yeah. You'd like to think television and internet are that, but they're not. But you can keep pretending if you'd like. Just keep pretending . . .

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

If this is the standard for ministers . . . then a lot of you should resign and turn in your cards immediately! Those scriptures aren't just for the wicked televangelists.

Who are you? Do you preach anywhere in America, or the world? Are you saying those scripture aren't true? So these preachers who you say should be put on television are wicked and should turn in their cards? That's interesting Brother CR, I am very surprised that you feel this way, because of your (as you put it) "rant" about going on television. You used the word "LOT" how much do you think, "LOT" is? Are you a United Pentecostal Church International preacher, member?

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Again, IF that's the standard then half or BETTER of ministers NEED to turn in their cards and resign.

Correct me here if I'm wrong? CR, you believe more than half of the ministers in UPCI are disqualified to teach and minister and need to be sat down?
Yet you advocate their right to be on television? CR, I posted scripture out of the Bible not out of the United Pentecostal Church International minister manual. Your argument is really taking on a bad direction. Please think about what you’re saying? Again are you currently preaching and teaching? You don't have to tell me who you are just a yes or no to my question will help.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I doubt you're blameless,

How long have we known each other? So we are pretty much narrowing down your view of the pulpit and of the scripture that regulates that position. Interesting very interesting. These men and myself are accused in your mind without any bases other than your own lifestyle in Christ?
Would you consider yourself able to sit behind the pulpit? Do you occupy one now? Do the scripture I have posted hold any credibility for a church family today?


1st Tim 5:19?

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

and I know a lot of other ministers that aren't blameless.

You know a "LOT" what about the scriptures in Titus and Timothy there are pretty plain are they not? So we have a bit of a problem because these men cannot possibly climb behind a pulpit and teach, let alone teach a DENOMINATIONAL WORLD who already have a problem with the ONE GOD JESUS NAME MESSAGE. Now they will have questionable men teaching from off the blue tube. You have this television scenario starting off with a flat tire.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Should we list the number of non-tv ministers caught in the web of pornography, or who have left their spouses or committed adultery? It's not a tv issue . . . it's a sin and flesh issue.

I think now this is where you want me to repeat myself? I have already presented this in the argument I used LW and RN. So who will represent the UPCI?

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Right. Uh huh. I'm through debating this with you. In your view the internet is safe and okay to use for evangelism, but not television. In your view anyone and everyone who uses television for evangelism is bad, not blameless, etc. Television's a dumpster filled with maggots . . . the internet is a family-friendly place.

Thank you for the invalidation and refusing to answer me. Television is entertainment based; it has only three channels that are any good?
Three channels? How about paying 80.00 a month for the Pentecostal channel? 900 channels 50.00 to 100.00 a month and you watch three channels? You make it sound like the Internet is all porn? There is more profitable stuff on the Internet than television that's a fact.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

You have a knack for twisting things around.

Hey, CR you have to admit the "disclaimer" line was a scream. I almost fell of my chair.

"Hey come to happy pastor Pentecostal Church down here in sunny Florida,

WARNING:NOT EVERYTHING TAUGHT AT HAPPY PASTOR PENTECOSTAL CHURCH REFLECTS THE VIEWS OF THE UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH

."

Good grief!

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

You insisted on rules and regulations for people representing the UPCI at large.

Hello!! Where you been buddy? Do me a favor and read the position papers of the United Pentecostal Church International, read from page 143-161.
Brother are you a minister with the United Pentecostal Church?

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I stated that you don't need to do that, and if you must - fine - run a disclaimer on the program saying the UPCI doesn't endorse the views of the program.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Better cut the cord to the internet. It's destroyed more homes since its creation than television has.

Television has a head start and still counting. How about the guy who shot his wife for blocking his view of the football game? Or the two siblings who bashed each other's faces in because they wanted to watch two different programs. Soap operas causing problems in the home since the 1950s.
Let's not forget all those televangelists who did the most damage.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Why do you keep using a quote from an R-rated movie? It's not very good behavior by you.

Where's your head at? Try Kris Kristofferson.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Yeah, yeah. You'd like to think television and internet are that, but they're not. But you can keep pretending if you'd like. Just keep pretending . . .

You're upset because your argument didn't hold. Go on television and put up a DISCLAIMER. Brother CR, can you hold license in the United Pentecostal Church as a minister no matter what you believe as long as you give a disclaimer before you preach or teach?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Correct me here if I'm wrong? CR, you believe more than half of the ministers in UPCI are disqualified to teach and minister and need to be sat down?

According to your definition of being in "good behavior" and "blameless" - yes.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Yet you advocate their right to be on television? CR, I posted scripture out of the Bible not out of the United Pentecostal Church International minister manual.

Is that any different than their being in the pulpit at all? C'mon, EB. You'll prevent them from being on tv because you're afraid of the scandals they'll create, yet you'll defend their right to continue in a pulpit as long as it's off television.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

How long have we known each other? So we are pretty much narrowing down your view of the pulpit and of the scripture that regulates that position. Interesting very interesting. These men and myself are accused in your mind without any bases other than your own lifestyle in Christ? Would you consider yourself able to sit behind the pulpit? Do you occupy one now? Do the scripture I have posted hold any credibility for a church family today?

Not basing anything on my lifestyle. I'm using YOUR judgement against televangelist and flipping the coin.

Good Behavior - a lot, if your interpretation is correct, are sunk with that. They call it "Evangelistically speaking," but it's really a lie. Gossip cloaked as prayer requests, etc

Blameless - again, they call it "evangelistically speaking," but it's really a lie. Jewish Revival lies. Money siphoned from building funds and other accounts - used on golfing, cruises, homes, clothing and other things. Twisting context to try and prove right or wrong. Did you say 800 or 900 channels? Is that the truth, or you just intentionally overstating the facts in an effort to try and prove a point?

You used these to bash televangelists . . . and now you complain when I turn it back on yourself and others in our organization. *grin* Sounds familiar. Like what happened on another thread about research books.

It's fine by you to use scripture and demand authors present facts when you don't agree with it . . . but turn it around and you squirm, complain and twist words to try to spin the meaning - as you did here with the scriptures. Of course I believe they're credible and right.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I think now this is where you want me to repeat myself? I have already presented this in the argument I used LW and RN. So who will represent the UPCI?

You used two examples . . . TWO. There are more than that who I know personally backslid and left their families over internet adultery, and a few more who were caught up in online porn.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Thank you for the invalidation and refusing to answer me. Television is entertainment based; it has only three channels that are any good? Three channels? How about paying 80.00 a month for the Pentecostal channel? 900 channels 50.00 to 100.00 a month and you watch three channels? You make it sound like the Internet is all porn? There is more profitable stuff on the Internet than television that's a fact.

Now it's 900 channels? HA! Where in the world are you getting 800 first, and now 900 channels. Do some checking and you'll find that the average household only gets basic to digital . . . far less than the 800 or 900 you claim.

280 channels available, not 800

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Television has a head start and still counting. How about the guy who shot his wife for blocking his view of the football game? Or the two siblings who bashed each other's faces in because they wanted to watch two different programs. Soap operas causing problems in the home since the 1950s.
Let's not forget all those televangelists who did the most damage.

You've given two uncited examples. Soap Operas have nothing on internet chat sites or craigslist. You say televangelists, what about the other ministers not on television that have split churches or have been caught siphoning money from the church.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Where's your head at? Try Kris Kristofferson.

Try "Animal House," 1985. KK - actor and host of SNL several times. Regardless it's funny you use a quote from him (an ACTOR . . . on the wicked and evil television!) over and over in your posts. Not sure where he got it from . . . but it's a quote from an R-rated movie.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You're upset because your argument didn't hold. Go on television and put up a DISCLAIMER. Brother CR, can you hold license in the United Pentecostal Church as a minister no matter what you believe as long as you give a disclaimer before you preach or teach?

No, I'm upset because you twist things around . . . like the disclaimer and scriptures . . . in an effort to spin things around. Then you blatantly or ignorantly exaggerate things, like the number of channels available, etc.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

According to your definition of being in "good behavior" and "blameless" - yes.

Is that any different than their being in the pulpit at all? C'mon, EB. You'll prevent them from being on tv because you're afraid of the scandals they'll create, yet you'll defend their right to continue in a pulpit as long as it's off television.

Brother, this discussion has deteriorated a couple of posts ago. I asked you if you were a minister, a United Pentecostal Church member, you went silent on both questions.
Both have yes or no answers. Now you want to bring me into a childish rant with you? Now we have reduced your defense of putting preachers from an organization that you have alluded to that these men are lost. Your argument has plummeted dead to the floor. Now you're pretty upset, because it was not truth you defend but an agenda, of disgruntled attitudes.
Now I'm the bad guy? Brother I asked you to name all the Apostolic Pentecostals One GOD preachers who are proclaiming the Acts 2:38 message and the doctrine of the Mighty God in Christ on television and how many people across the United States follow their ministries? Again silence.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Not basing anything on my lifestyle. I'm using YOUR judgement against televangelist and flipping the coin.

Good Behavior - a lot, if your interpretation is correct, are sunk with that. They call it "Evangelistically speaking," but it's really a lie. Gossip cloaked as prayer requests, etc

My interpretation? Brother it's the Bible, "Jesus wept" couldn't be more plain and so were those scriptures. Evangelistically speaking? I know Brothers who despise that kind of foolishness, good Brothers who don't deserve to be labeled as liars. Who do you fellowship with Brother? Gossip cloaked in prayer requests? Is that what you do?

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Blameless - again, they call it "evangelistically speaking," but it's really a lie. Jewish Revival lies. Money siphoned from building funds and other accounts - used on golfing, cruises, homes, clothing and other things.

Whoa, Hoss, who are you hanging with Bro? These are the men you want to represent you and your church family? Oh, by the way, did I say you never let me know if you yourself are preaching anywhere? Are you currently a member at a UPCI congregation? Is the above the norm in your world?
How will Pentecost benefit from these horrible people you describe getting national televised programs? What kind of evangelism will they reap?

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Twisting context to try and prove right or wrong. Did you say 800 or 900 channels? Is that the truth, or you just intentionally overstating the facts in an effort to try and prove a point?

Oh I see how you are. So now you saying that I'm trying to decieve?
Very good, I don't watch television, last time I heard television had over 800 or 900 channels, may even been 1,000 channels? Do you know what a lie is Brother?

I pray to the Lord Jesus you learn what a lie is before you have children. Or you will be accusing them of being liars (by your accusation). A liar is telling an untruth to cause deception, which means telling an untruth to deceive.
Young Brother, do yourself a favor go strengthen your argument, instead of grabbing for anything to try to win.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

You used these to bash televangelists . . . and now you complain when I turn it back on yourself and others in our organization. *grin* Sounds familiar. Like what happened on another thread about research books.

Sorry, Brother but you're wrong, what I posted was correct. You never answered my question of who will represent the Apostolic Pentecostal One God people? Who are all those who are independent Apostolic Pentecostal who are now on television and teaching the United States of America about Jesus name baptism and in filing of the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues and One God in Christ. Who? You mean to tell me that men in all different apostolic groups around the world have been waiting for the United Pentecostal Church International to make a move in September?

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

It's fine by you to use scripture and demand authors present facts when you don't agree with it . . . but turn it around and you squirm, complain and twist words to try to spin the meaning - as you did here with the scriptures. Of course I believe they're credible and right.

So if you believe they're correct you then don't believe they are applicable in this day and age? By what I have gathered from you this far is that more than half of the men in the UPCI are smoked cartridges and they need to be on television to evangelize the world? Brother I'm just asking questions it seems that you're the one twisting and "ranting".

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

You used two examples . . . TWO. There are more than that who I know personally backslid and left their families over internet adultery, and a few more who were caught up in online porn.

Backslid, so you are looking forward to having backslid men on the television?
I used the two that a wide range of our people already know about. That's all I needed to say. Thank you very much for proving my point once again.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Now it's 900 channels? HA! Where in the world are you getting 800 first, and now 900 channels. Do some checking and you'll find that the average household only gets basic to digital . . . far less than the 800 or 900 you claim.

280 channels available, not 800 You've given two uncited examples.

280 is it? All right 280 channels and most television apostolics will tell you they watch the History, Disney, and Animal Planet channels, still 280 and nothing an apostolic can watch but three channels.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Soap Operas have nothing on internet chat sites or craigslist.

Sorry, but Soap Operas and day time television has caused home problems for a long time. Way before Bill Gates was in Grammer school.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

You say televangelists, what about the other ministers not on television that have split churches or have been caught siphoning money from the church.

You see CR, you keep trying to rabbit trail, let's stick with what about taking those same jack leg jelly beans and putting them on television. If some devil is wreaking horror in some parish or town, not much we can do about it, but put that same low life on the blue tube and now he has more power than he needs to have. Now doesn't that sound way more horrible? I will ask you again, who will go for us?

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Try "Animal House," 1985.

Oh really that's news to me, I still think you should check that out.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

KK - actor and host of SNL several times.

Sorry Brother, I just know him as a country singer from my youth.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Regardless it's funny you use a quote from him (an ACTOR . . . on the wicked and evil television!) over and over in your posts.

Are you feeling ok? You sure you want this conversation to continue?
I just know him as a songwriter and singer. I quoted from him over and over?
All right Hoss, you pray for me. Still television is a big mistake and you are proving that to me.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Not sure where he got it from . . . but it's a quote from an R-rated movie.

Not sure huh? Really your not sure? It's Kris Kristofferson, as far as I know, but you are not sure. Brother Jesus loves you.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

No, I'm upset

Well, Brother you sure do a good job faking it.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

because you twist things around . . . like the disclaimer and scriptures . . . in an effort to spin things around.

Like the disclaimer? Sorry that's your baby. I would have liked to take credit for that jewel, but alas you thought that one up all by yourself. The scriptures are correct you just really need to check out who and what you fellowship.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Then you blatantly or ignorantly exaggerate things, like the number of channels available, etc.

Are you sure? Do you really think your sure this time?

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother, this discussion has deteriorated a couple of posts ago. I asked you if you were a minister, a United Pentecostal Church member, you went silent on both questions. Both have yes or no answers.

Not a minister – that’s been stated before. I attend a church pastored by a UPC licensed minister, also stated before. I don’t consider myself a UPC member.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Now I'm the bad guy? Brother I asked you to name all the Apostolic Pentecostals One GOD preachers who are proclaiming the Acts 2:38 message and the doctrine of the Mighty God in Christ on television and how many people across the United States follow their ministries?

I don’t know . . . I don’t watch religious broadcasting on television – and you and your buddies are trying to keep the UPC off television. So most likely there are or will be none on television, which is pretty sad.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

My interpretation? Brother it's the Bible, "Jesus wept" couldn't be more plain and so were those scriptures. Evangelistically speaking? I know Brothers who despise that kind of foolishness, good Brothers who don't deserve to be labeled as liars. Who do you fellowship with Brother?

ES is often laughed at. It’s a joke. Wink wink, nudge nudge. Don’t tell me you don’t know or haven’t seen/been around ministers who laughed about ES.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Gossip cloaked in prayer requests? Is that what you do?

Nope. But there are ministers who use the phone, email and web forums to send out information and gossip to other ministers under the guise of . . . “Brethren, please pray for . . . . . . . “ and then proceed to spread gossip.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Whoa, Hoss, who are you hanging with Bro? These are the men you want to represent you and your church family? Oh, by the way, did I say you never let me know if you yourself are preaching anywhere? Are you currently a member at a UPCI congregation? Is the above the norm in your world?

The men I’ve “hung” with are from regular pastors to District and HQ reps . . . no it’s not the “norm” but it’s enough.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

How will Pentecost benefit from these horrible people you describe getting national televised programs? What kind of evangelism will they reap?

Ignorant . . .

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Oh I see how you are. So now you saying that I'm trying to decieve? Very good, I don't watch television, last time I heard television had over 800 or 900 channels, may even been 1,000 channels?

I thought you were smarter than believing everything you heard. Pardon me for assuming you actually put some scrutiny and looked into what was available. From now on I’ll just assume that you haven’t looked into it and that you’re going by just what you heard. I don’t know where in the world you got those numbers from. The 280 available where I live is from the largest cable provider and is EVERY SINGLE CHANNEL available. That’s including all the PPV channels and packaged channels – which is way more than what the average household subscribes to. At the most, the average subscribes to between 75 and 100 channels, maybe more if they have an HD tv.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Do you know what a lie is Brother? I pray to the Lord Jesus you learn what a lie is before you have children. Or you will be accusing them of being liars (by your accusation). A liar is telling an untruth to cause deception, which means telling an untruth to deceive. Young Brother, do yourself a favor go strengthen your argument, instead of grabbing for anything to try to win.

I know what a lie/liar is . . . I don’t need you to explain it to me.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So if you believe they're correct you then don't believe they are applicable in this day and age? By what I have gathered from you this far is that more than half of the men in the UPCI are smoked cartridges and they need to be on television to evangelize the world? Brother I'm just asking questions it seems that you're the one twisting and "ranting".

What?!?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Backslid, so you are looking forward to having backslid men on the television? I used the two that a wide range of our people already know about. That's all I needed to say. Thank you very much for proving my point once again.

ONCE AGAIN – twisting words and context. Did I ever once say I looked forward or wanted backslid men on the television. It’s incredible the way you twist my statements – like this – to mean something completely different.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

280 is it? All right 280 channels and most television apostolics will tell you they watch the History, Disney, and Animal Planet channels, still 280 and nothing an apostolic can watch but three channels.

You must not have read the post that was linked there. I listed a number of channels and broke down what the 280 channels were. IF you purchased EVERY SINGLE channel available, including PPV channels, you’d have 280. The average household only has between 75 and 100 channels. Of those, there are more than just 3 that are able to be watched.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sorry, but Soap Operas and day time television has caused home problems for a long time. Way before Bill Gates was in Grammer school.

Again, according to your own words – you don’t watch television. Soap Operas lost their effect years ago. You should do some research and update your “reasons television is bad” file. Odds are if you took a poll on what tempts most – online chat and personal ads online would win big against Soap Operas. Do anyone besides old ladies even watch Soap Operas anymore?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You see CR, you keep trying to rabbit trail, let's stick with what about taking those same jack leg jelly beans and putting them on television. If some devil is wreaking horror in some parish or town, not much we can do about it, but put that same low life on the blue tube and now he has more power than he needs to have. Now doesn't that sound way more horrible? I will ask you again, who will go for us?

Obviously no one if you and your buddies get your way . . .

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Like the disclaimer? Sorry that's your baby. I would have liked to take credit for that jewel, but alas you thought that one up all by yourself. The scriptures are correct you just really need to check out who and what you fellowship.

You twisted the disclaimer and what I meant by it, just as you have with a lot of other things.

I’m through. Don’t bother responding, I won’t respond back. You continue to twist things – like 5 quotes back when you stated I want backslid ministers on television. That’s a blatant lie! I never said that. Using the definition you provided, you used an untruth to try to cause deception. Not once did I state that I wanted backslid ministers on television.

I’m done debating with you. Good day.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

You twisted the disclaimer and what I meant by it, just as you have with a lot of other things.

I’m through. Don’t bother responding, I won’t respond back. You continue to twist things – like 5 quotes back when you stated I want backslid ministers on television. That’s a blatant lie! I never said that. Using the definition you provided, you used an untruth to try to cause deception. Not once did I state that I wanted backslid ministers on television.

I’m done debating with you. Good day.

I tried to tell you in the last post that this conversation was deteriorating, and that you were getting upset. You were grabbing for straws at one point. Then you tried to make a come back with jabbing me with your R-MOVIE quote. What was that all about? 900 -1000 channels oh there 280 if you have a digital xenon bulb tube? Is that how you're going to leave this?
Call a Brother a liar and go have milk and cookies?

You know something Brother you never touched topside or bottom of my question on those who are television watching apostolics who were on television who hit the big time? Not all Apostolic One God organizations preach against television. So you would think there would be an Apostolic Pentecostal John Haggee, Jack and Rexella Van Impe, and Joel Olsteen on the TV screen.

When a man makes allegations that more than half of the UPCI ministers are liars, and corrupt, you don't have much left to the imagination for anyone to figure out who would be preaching on television? I'm real sorry you felt to end our discussion in this manner. Brother you don't know how sorry I am. I am going to give you my phone number and you can call me when ever you’re ready. I'm not your enemy.

PM on the way.

In Jesus Name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

I know that New Zealand broadcast Brother Stonekings rising from the dead
all over the place and the crowd to hear him speak was huge.

Say what?
Risings from the dead? Can someone fill me in on this?