Old Time Pentecost - Page 9

Jay · #81 01-30-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

Wish this were true here, my daughters and a couple of friends went to a UPC event and all of them recieved the Holy ghost and were baptized in Jesus name there. when they returned one friend of 6 years went to a WPF church down the street by invitation. Now, 1year later, she tells my daughters they are not saved because they "talk" to other kids in school who are not in church. We have invited her to come to a function, youth rally , or any service (since their service is not the same time as ours). Her answer is always the same, 'Your church does not preach the truth".

Its sad really. and Im not sure it will ever be repaired.

I suppose that not all WPF churches are going to be the same. However, I know of a pastor who taught that the only time his saints were to have anything to do with sinners was during outreach. Otherwise you did not have any more to do with them than necessary. I have never understood how you have revival with that type of an attitude. Sadly his grandson, my cousin, is not in the church today, and it is largely due to that type of an attitude about many things.

You sound like you belong to a fairly conservative congregation though. How is it that this church does not feel like yours no longer preaches the truth?

scotty · #82 01-30-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Matt

That is so wrong. How would she expect otherwise for your kids to learn how to interact with people outside the church?

According to my daughter, she only interacts with other kids who go to her church. Other than the occasional "Hi" in passing, she does not "hang out" , or "eat with", or "get into conversation with" other kids. She will invite them to church, if they come they come, if they don't they don't. When they say "seperate from the world" , thats exactly what it means.

It is strange though. They have one or two who do come occasionally, but its like, they are the only ones allowed to come because they are less likely to be turned to the dark side. lol.

scotty · #83 01-30-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

I suppose that not all WPF churches are going to be the same. However, I know of a pastor who taught that the only time his saints were to have anything to do with sinners was during outreach. Otherwise you did not have any more to do with them than necessary. I have never understood how you have revival with that type of an attitude. Sadly his grandson, my cousin, is not in the church today, and it is largely due to that type of an attitude about many things.

You sound like you belong to a fairly conservative congregation though. How is it that this church does not feel like yours no longer preaches the truth?

Good question, I have often wondered myself. I guess I need to go to one of their services and see. I think its because we don't shout every service on every word. I have asked my daughter, who has went several times, what the differences are. She said they will shout and jump at the drop of a hat. but its strange because she got the Holy Ghost and was baptized in UPC and they haven't asked her to be rebaptized or refilled so apparently we speak enough truth to be saved but not enough to stay saved, lol.

One of the guys went to UPC senior camp this past year, they said the pastor called him out and told him to sit down because he was taking a lap around the church on about every other line out of the preachers mouth.

But you are right, just as all UPC's churches are not the same, I'm sure not all WPF churches are the same. But you know how it is around here, you belong to an org and you get stereotyped.

Titus2woman · #84 01-30-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

According to my daughter, she only interacts with other kids who go to her church. Other than the occasional "Hi" in passing, she does not "hang out" , or "eat with", or "get into conversation with" other kids. She will invite them to church, if they come they come, if they don't they don't. When they say "seperate from the world" , thats exactly what it means.

It is strange though. They have one or two who do come occasionally, but its like, they are the only ones allowed to come because they are less likely to be turned to the dark side. lol.

And how do you prepare a group of people to accept this kind of teaching and kids to follow these principles even when they are at school and no one is looking? With the teachings they have been indoctrinated with for generations... The teachings that say that the man of God is somehow closer to God then the rest, that he hears from God in ways that others don't. That anyone who does not conform is bad or even dangerous... You know, the the doctrines espoused in 'Old Time Pentecost'.

But when a pastor evolves into what this doctrine tells him he is, someone who has the right to control others, and so he sets a 'stronger' set of standards in place and takes over the minds of these people who have been trained and previously conditioned to blindly obey and makes them 'his' people, setting them on a course that you believe is too rigid you cry foul. Too funny!

AreYouReady? · #85 01-30-2012, 06:53 PM

Funny and sad all at the same time.

Jay · #86 01-30-2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

Good question, I have often wondered myself. I guess I need to go to one of their services and see. I think its because we don't shout every service on every word. I have asked my daughter, who has went several times, what the differences are. She said they will shout and jump at the drop of a hat. but its strange because she got the Holy Ghost and was baptized in UPC and they haven't asked her to be rebaptized or refilled so apparently we speak enough truth to be saved but not enough to stay saved, lol.

One of the guys went to UPC senior camp this past year, they said the pastor called him out and told him to sit down because he was taking a lap around the church on about every other line out of the preachers mouth.

But you are right, just as all UPC's churches are not the same, I'm sure not all WPF churches are the same. But you know how it is around here, you belong to an org and you get stereotyped.

Well, I went to a church where the pastor taught that a person should be dancing and shouting every service. However, most of the church went with the flow of the Spirit.

We do not run, dance, and shout during every message either. Some places encourage it, and other places do not. I do believe that there are times and places, and it should not be constantly discouraged. However there are many who need to learn how to walk in the Spirit. It would give that run a bit more meaning.

I must say that I am shocked that some of the statements that I made earlier did not garner any additional remarks.

Titus2woman · #87 01-30-2012, 07:28 PM

Jay I agree with a lot of what you say and have an unfortunate tendency to not comment when I am in agreement... Perhaps I am more argumentative than I previously realized.

Steve Epley · #88 01-30-2012, 07:41 PM

I think the Arkansas Camp at North Little Rock has been going since either 1948 or 1949?

scotty · #89 01-30-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

And how do you prepare a group of people to accept this kind of teaching and kids to follow these principles even when they are at school and no one is looking? With the teachings they have been indoctrinated with for generations... The teachings that say that the man of God is somehow closer to God then the rest, that he hears from God in ways that others don't. You know, the the doctrines espoused in 'Old Time Pentecost'.

LOL, you show them scripture. Lets see, the "man of God" is closer than the rest?? Really ? You don't believe that ? Everyone in the world is equally close to God ? Interesting, not biblical, but interesting. The "man of God" hears from God in ways others don't. Yes thats scriptural too. Now, if your referring to "the man of God" as a pastor, then I don't know. I am referring to the "man of God" as any individual follower of Christ. Which is exactly as it should be.

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

But when a pastor evolves into what this doctrine tells him he is, someone who has the right to control others, and so he sets a 'stronger' set of standards in place and takes over the minds of these people who have been trained and previously conditioned to blindly obey and makes them 'his' people, setting them on a course that you believe is too rigid you cry foul. Too funny!

Sounds like you have had a terrible experience. Almost sounds like a good horror book, lol. Sorry you didn't get out of it sooner. But of course that's the motherships fault.

scotty · #90 01-30-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Well, I went to a church where the pastor taught that a person should be dancing and shouting every service. However, most of the church went with the flow of the Spirit.

We do not run, dance, and shout during every message either. Some places encourage it, and other places do not. I do believe that there are times and places, and it should not be constantly discouraged. However there are many who need to learn how to walk in the Spirit. It would give that run a bit more meaning.

I must say that I am shocked that some of the statements that I made earlier did not garner any additional remarks.

I must admit I am equally suprised. They must be out of town or having a busy Monday. It's been rather slow here the past couple of days.