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Old 10-16-2007, 06:01 AM
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I've seen it where the pastor seems to "collect" preachers but doesn't want them to go out on their own. I have no idea why. The only way preachers are able to leave is if they actually go against the pastor's wishes. I'm not talking about just "green" preachers that everyone knows aren't ready, either. Maybe the preacher is a good plumber and the pastor is building a new house, etc.
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Old 10-16-2007, 06:54 AM
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I've seen it where the pastor seems to "collect" preachers but doesn't want them to go out on their own. I have no idea why. The only way preachers are able to leave is if they actually go against the pastor's wishes. I'm not talking about just "green" preachers that everyone knows aren't ready, either. Maybe the preacher is a good plumber and the pastor is building a new house, etc.
Its sad but actually too funny! The church my husband came out of originally was that way! The pastor was exactly like you say and funniest thing is .... he is a carpenter and hmmmm maybe thats why he did the way he did??? LOL

Seriously he had 5 licensed preachers in his church and 2 who werent yet licensed. He refused to let any of them preach out at all... 2 of them.... My husbands best friend who had been licensed w the upc for 5 yrs and my husband (not licensed) decided to start giving bible studies... well ended up being with a small group... they later became a very large group. Well within 6 mos of starting this bible study... the people decided they enjoyed it and it grew almost larger than the church itself... well... instead of making this work together for the good of the church the pastor began to feel he was in risk of losing his church *which was NOT the case because at that time neither of these men felt called to pastor they were just there to help the work grow!* so he put a total stop to these bible studies!!! Told them NO MORE WHATSOEVER!!!! caused a bit of an outrage I guess you would say.

Then my husband went to him and told him he was really desiring to go to bible school... wait 6 months and lets pray about it and make sure its Gods will.. first time was fine... 6 mos later... pray about it again.... and 6 mos later when Rob knew it was nothing but Gods will... he said pastor I have another pastor who will sign me under him if you wont I am going.... not out of rebellion but it was purely becoming a matter of HE (pastor) didnt want him to go at all and had no good reason for this and this had been the par for others before my hubby....

It finally came to a head and it is a sure sign that all these things will eventually come out in the wash... It got old... one Sat night in prayer we decided we had enough and knew it wasnt Gods will for us to be there anymore... we prayed and called another local pastor and went and attended his service, not knowing that 4 of the other preachers from the same church we had attended would show up there that same morning for the same reason.... It was a shock to the former pastor and now that his church has dwindled down to about 20 people I think he might finally be getting the hint???

In the meantime... within the next week of everyone leaving... one was called to be assistant pastor at a fairly large work elsewhere in Ms..... my husband was called and asked to assist at a church in La... and my husbands best friend is now pastoring a new home mission work in the same area which is thriving and growing by leaps and bounds....

Pastors like that I just dont understand....
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Old 10-16-2007, 08:20 AM
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Yes it seems to me if a Pastor has those are called to preach in the local assembly, he should use them and train and mentor them and let those who have gifts be used in the body.
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Old 10-16-2007, 08:28 AM
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Uh...they want to be able to vote?

They want to be called Reeeeeeeeev?

They are a sleeper cell of pedophiles and homos waiting for word from their illustrious leader to come out and embarrass the org?
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Old 10-16-2007, 08:30 AM
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I have noticed a growing trend of men who are licensed through various ministerial fellowships and have absolutely no intention of preaching, teaching, pastoring, evangelizing, soul-winning or even witnessing.

All they do is sit on a pew.

Why do some folks just want a card in their pocket?

Are ministerial fellowships becoming modern day equivalents to the Moose Lodge - just another "Good Ole Boys" Club?
Seriously Pastor Postor, I thought you had to do some on these things to get the card as a requirement.
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Old 10-16-2007, 10:33 AM
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Its sad but actually too funny! The church my husband came out of originally was that way! The pastor was exactly like you say and funniest thing is .... he is a carpenter and hmmmm maybe thats why he did the way he did??? LOL

Seriously he had 5 licensed preachers in his church and 2 who werent yet licensed. He refused to let any of them preach out at all... 2 of them.... My husbands best friend who had been licensed w the upc for 5 yrs and my husband (not licensed) decided to start giving bible studies... well ended up being with a small group... they later became a very large group. Well within 6 mos of starting this bible study... the people decided they enjoyed it and it grew almost larger than the church itself... well... instead of making this work together for the good of the church the pastor began to feel he was in risk of losing his church *which was NOT the case because at that time neither of these men felt called to pastor they were just there to help the work grow!* so he put a total stop to these bible studies!!! Told them NO MORE WHATSOEVER!!!! caused a bit of an outrage I guess you would say.

Then my husband went to him and told him he was really desiring to go to bible school... wait 6 months and lets pray about it and make sure its Gods will.. first time was fine... 6 mos later... pray about it again.... and 6 mos later when Rob knew it was nothing but Gods will... he said pastor I have another pastor who will sign me under him if you wont I am going.... not out of rebellion but it was purely becoming a matter of HE (pastor) didnt want him to go at all and had no good reason for this and this had been the par for others before my hubby....

It finally came to a head and it is a sure sign that all these things will eventually come out in the wash... It got old... one Sat night in prayer we decided we had enough and knew it wasnt Gods will for us to be there anymore... we prayed and called another local pastor and went and attended his service, not knowing that 4 of the other preachers from the same church we had attended would show up there that same morning for the same reason.... It was a shock to the former pastor and now that his church has dwindled down to about 20 people I think he might finally be getting the hint???

In the meantime... within the next week of everyone leaving... one was called to be assistant pastor at a fairly large work elsewhere in Ms..... my husband was called and asked to assist at a church in La... and my husbands best friend is now pastoring a new home mission work in the same area which is thriving and growing by leaps and bounds....

Pastors like that I just dont understand....
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Old 10-18-2007, 02:49 PM
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I've seen it where the pastor seems to "collect" preachers but doesn't want them to go out on their own. I have no idea why. The only way preachers are able to leave is if they actually go against the pastor's wishes. I'm not talking about just "green" preachers that everyone knows aren't ready, either. Maybe the preacher is a good plumber and the pastor is building a new house, etc.
Been there. Done that.

It's called "kingdom building."

Unfortunately we are not talking about God's kingdom.
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Old 10-18-2007, 06:41 PM
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Its sad but actually too funny! The church my husband came out of originally was that way! The pastor was exactly like you say and funniest thing is .... he is a carpenter and hmmmm maybe thats why he did the way he did??? LOL

Seriously he had 5 licensed preachers in his church and 2 who werent yet licensed. He refused to let any of them preach out at all... 2 of them.... My husbands best friend who had been licensed w the upc for 5 yrs and my husband (not licensed) decided to start giving bible studies... well ended up being with a small group... they later became a very large group. Well within 6 mos of starting this bible study... the people decided they enjoyed it and it grew almost larger than the church itself... well... instead of making this work together for the good of the church the pastor began to feel he was in risk of losing his church *which was NOT the case because at that time neither of these men felt called to pastor they were just there to help the work grow!* so he put a total stop to these bible studies!!! Told them NO MORE WHATSOEVER!!!! caused a bit of an outrage I guess you would say.

Then my husband went to him and told him he was really desiring to go to bible school... wait 6 months and lets pray about it and make sure its Gods will.. first time was fine... 6 mos later... pray about it again.... and 6 mos later when Rob knew it was nothing but Gods will... he said pastor I have another pastor who will sign me under him if you wont I am going.... not out of rebellion but it was purely becoming a matter of HE (pastor) didnt want him to go at all and had no good reason for this and this had been the par for others before my hubby....

It finally came to a head and it is a sure sign that all these things will eventually come out in the wash... It got old... one Sat night in prayer we decided we had enough and knew it wasnt Gods will for us to be there anymore... we prayed and called another local pastor and went and attended his service, not knowing that 4 of the other preachers from the same church we had attended would show up there that same morning for the same reason.... It was a shock to the former pastor and now that his church has dwindled down to about 20 people I think he might finally be getting the hint???

In the meantime... within the next week of everyone leaving... one was called to be assistant pastor at a fairly large work elsewhere in Ms..... my husband was called and asked to assist at a church in La... and my husbands best friend is now pastoring a new home mission work in the same area which is thriving and growing by leaps and bounds....

Pastors like that I just dont understand....
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:27 PM
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Been there. Done that.

It's called "kingdom building."

Unfortunately we are not talking about God's kingdom.
I was in a church like being described in this thread for 20 years. No one could go with a blessing. We were the "best" church and other (upc)churches were spoken ill of from the pulpit.

People that were on long lay offs and could of moved to other areas and obtained good jobs were not allowed to leave.

The pastor turned the church over to his daughter and her hubby and it has went down hill ever since.

I am disappointed in myself that allowed myself and my family to be under such a pastor for so long.

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Old 10-18-2007, 08:30 PM
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I have noticed a growing trend of men who are licensed through various ministerial fellowships and have absolutely no intention of preaching, teaching, pastoring, evangelizing, soul-winning or even witnessing.

All they do is sit on a pew.

Why do some folks just want a card in their pocket?

Are ministerial fellowships becoming modern day equivalents to the Moose Lodge - just another "Good Ole Boys" Club?
Things may be different in different states but a clergy card is some times asked for before granting access to visit a hospital patient.

In the county I live, in order to obtain a clergy card for access to visit a person in jail, a certificate signed by the Ohio Secretary of State authorizing a person to solemnize marriages is required. In order to get a certificate to solemnize marriages, the Secretary of State requires a copy of an ordination/license certificate from a recognized religious organization. Mail order type ordination certificates are not acceptable.
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