"50 things I would do - If I were a Pastor"

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Originally Posted by Neck

If you know what your talking about and have it set.

You donot needs notes.

Have you ever watched a TV and the actor keeps looking away at the que card? To me that actor is not serious and is unprepared.

To me a minister nailing it with flow and annointing without notes is Prepared.

Many of those yellow not pads are filled with chicken scratch from playing a preaching tape or watching Rod Parlsay.

Nonsense, Neck. Some of the best preachers I've ever heard use notes, and some of them even write their sermons out word for word.

Originally Posted by Neck

If I were pastor and someone rambled they would be asked to sit down..

Really? You would shame someone in that way just for getting off point? Wow.

Originally Posted by rrford

Yes, we all know you were raised in a preachers home. You only post it about 30 times a week.

But until you actually pastor, which you have not done, then you have no idea how unrealistic some of the things you stated really are.

BTW, was your Dad so unprepared that he EVER used notes to teach or preach? I seem to recall you posting about having many of his notes.

Yep! Lots of us were raised in preacher's homes. That doesn't qualify us to tell pastors how to be good pastors and preachers how to preach better sermons. Really, though, if it were offered with more of a spirit of humility, and more like "suggestions", this thread might be palatable. As it stands...

Originally Posted by Neck

Sounds like you ministers are Bill Murray not me.

i would love to see some in the board room negotiating a 55 million dollar.

10,000 site voice and data application converged network.

Having to rely on notes.

Do we use Powerpoint in the presentaion room.

Yes we do.

But we have the majic up on a visual screen.

We do not have our PC open and clicking our mouse and reading from a screen no one else can see.

Again I am not mocking anyone.

Did you ever see Nathaniel Urshaun pull out his yellow pad?

Oh, good grief. Giving powerpoint presentations is easy, #1, and #2, you have your notes right there on the screen. Duh! Also, as Keith mentioned, your product remains the same (or a group of products), so it's doubtful that you have to create a fresh PowerPoint for every meeting and remember the points.

Originally Posted by Neck

There are those who know your name. And there are those who can make you feel comfortable. A minister should be one or the other.

Or maybe a minister can do both?

Originally Posted by Neck

Tell me how I can step into a board room and white board 10 converged technologies, hardware and software.

Talk fluently with engineers and VP's.

But not preach a 30 minute sermon that I would be just as prepared.

Again I am talking about myself.

Your statement does not leap to the page with any first hand experience on who I am...

I have sat in church for the past 40 years and seen reams of paper flipping and still seen malnourished churches.

Notes don't bring the meat.

The meat is in the preparation.

Notes don't prevent the meat being brought to the table. And I know LOTS of business people who can lead meetings all day long, but they would make TERRIBLE pastors. Pastors are servants. Most good businessmen are anything BUT. Such is the nature of the beast.

Originally Posted by Neck

Very good someone has a goal and plan.

Now can some stop ripping me for my goals and plans?

Neck, the problem with your goals and plans is that they're for someone else--not YOU. If YOU were a pastor, you'd have a little more influence with your opinions. You're NOT a pastor, ergo, you know diddly, no matter how many pastors, preachers & teachers you have in your family. Why don't you go post a thread containing all your personal goals for being a better...uh...PowerPoint presenter.

For that matter, that alone is a crazy statement, because MANY of the members of this forum have numerous pastors, evangelists, teachers, etc., in their families, but that doesn't qualify them PERSONALLY to be any of the above.

You seem to think you are so qualified, based on what other people in your family are, or have done. That doesn't qualify you at ALL. And your thread comes across as narcissistic drivel--not helpful suggestions. That's why you're getting "ripped." Even by the nice guys like MOW and Keith. (I don't know if you noticed, but both of them politely said, "Sit down and shut up.")

1 name I would remember if I were Nate: Moses.