Drinking - Page 7

Felicity · #61 03-09-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tbpew

Maybe they have an interest in renting a moderate buzz?

It would have to be a good one to merit the awful taste. I can't imagine needing a buzz that bad.

MrsMcD · #62 03-09-2007, 10:19 AM

What cracks me up is when folks talk about how they love their beer and frown the entire time they swallow up. Weird huh?

Felicity · #63 03-09-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MrsMcD

What cracks me up is when folks talk about how they love their beer and frown the entire time they swallow up. Weird huh?

Yeah.

I've had a Pina Colada before. Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down!

But I got no buzz.

LOL.

freeatlast · #64 03-09-2007, 10:23 AM

We offer both fermented and unfermented fruit of th vine at communion

It's announced which communion try has which in it, yours choice.

For those who hold to the idea hat the fruit of the vine that Christ drank at the Last Supper of the commuinion drink the early church drank was NOT alcoholic in content. I HAVE one Question?

How much grape juice, with no alchol in it, would a person have to drink to become drunk?

Find your answer in 1 Cor 11:21

J-Roc · #65 03-09-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by samp

Moderate consumptionist. We're given the choice of wine or grape juice in communion and I always take the wine.

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Originally Posted by J-Roc

The only issue I have with this is that by giving this option we are being insensitive to Believers who may have once had battled with alcohol addiction...so being mindful of this, I think it would be prudent that only grape juice be offered.

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Originally Posted by samp

This is precisely the reason grape juice is offered - so those who've once battled alcohol addiction can take the grape juice instead. There are some in the church who cannot have any alcohol, even the tiny amount offered in communion, and we want them to still be able to take communion with us.

I understand that the option of either wine or grape juice is given...what I am suggesting is that it is a bit insensitive to use the wine because in effect we are placing a sample just underneath their nose to take a sniff of it and saying to them "dont touch it, just sniff it, while we take it"....to ignore this we are simply not being mindful and sensitive to their previous stronghold. And we're opening up an avenue for them to just try it at church and before you know it, they can turn back to that which they once were in bondage to. So I am saying it simply is not wise. Those who are able to drink it moderately can do so at home...no need for the church to offer the strong drink.

Ron · #66 03-09-2007, 10:32 AM

I believe you "may" drink in very light moderation and not sin.
However, I c ame from an family where my mom died of alcoholism, and where I was heading in that direction in my teens.

With alcoholism being a very real problem in society, to not be a stumbling block to my brother/sister, and to leave out the possibility that I may over imbibe and do something stupid and sin, and perhaps lose my soul, I believe it is much "Wiser" to "Abstain."

Abstinence is the way to go.

#67 03-09-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Roc

I understand that the option of either wine or grape juice is given...what I am suggesting is that it is a bit insensitive to use the wine because in effect we are placing a sample just underneath their nose to take a sniff of it and saying to them "dont touch it, just sniff it, while we take it"....to ignore this we are simply not being mindful and sensitive to their previous stronghold. And we're opening up an avenue for them to just try it at church and before you know it, they can turn back to that which they once were in bondage to. So I am saying it simply is not wise. Those who are able to drink it moderately can do so at home...no need for the church to offer the strong drink.

I wouldn't say it's being passed under their nose. It's not like we're trying to lure them into taking it. If they don't want to take alcohol, it's fine. They just tell the pastor beforehand and he'll make sure they get grape juice.

While we want to be sensitive to those who've struggled with past addictions, we cannot deprive the rest of the church from being given alcoholic wine. There has to be balance. This is the way it's been done in my church for years, and I'm sure it will continue.

J-Roc · #68 03-09-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by samp

I wouldn't say it's being passed under their nose. It's not like we're trying to lure them into taking it. If they don't want to take alcohol, it's fine. They just tell the pastor beforehand and he'll make sure they get grape juice.

While we want to be sensitive to those who've struggled with past addictions, we cannot deprive the rest of the church from being given alcoholic wine. There has to be balance. This is the way it's been done in my church for years, and I'm sure it will continue.

I guess you prefer not to really think much about the seriousness of some people's strong struggle with this, after all, not all who have struggled have completely licked it...we have to leave room in our mind to consider there are those present that are still struggling with it as communion is taking place. As for deprivation of wine to the rest of the church, I don't really understand this...I thought the purpose of the Supper was symbolic and a way to remember the sacrifice of our LORD...this can be done with grape juice for those who dont struggle with alcohol and those that do or have in the past....there is perfect unity when using the grape juice.

#69 03-09-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Roc

I guess you prefer not to really think much about the seriousness of some people's strong struggle with this, after all, not all who have struggled have completely licked it...we have to leave room in our mind to consider there are those present that are still struggling with it as communion is taking place. As for deprivation of wine to the rest of the church, I don't really understand this...I thought the purpose of the Supper was symbolic and a way to remember the sacrifice of our LORD...this can be done with grape juice for those who dont struggle with alcohol and those that do or have in the past....there is perfect unity when using the grape juice.

It is not my issue to think about. I am not in control over what gets used. The pastor is, and I'm sure the issue of people with past (or even current) alcohol addictions has been considered by not just the pastor, but others in the church. I am satisfied with the current setup, and as far as I know everyone else is. I feel for those who've struggled with alcohol addictions, that's why when he explained that grape juice is allowed for those who can't drink alcohol, I said, "well, that's none of my business. That's between you and them." In other words, I'm not going to cause him trouble for accomodating them.

#70 03-09-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hammondb3klingon1

Some preach t-total some moderation. What do you believe? If t-total, do you do wine for communion?

I see nothing wrong with a glass of wine or a beer, or even other as long as it's not a stumbling block for you or you ask others to participate that it is for them....we need to not become drunk and foolish...