Did Jesus Christ Have The Ability To Sin ?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Bro Blume,

I was just thinking about this last night, and come here to find it being discussed.

It is either fact of fiction that we are free from the grip of sin. I believe Rom 6 states very plainly that we are no longer in bondage to sins sway. So my only recourse is that if I fall into a temptation, it is because I chose to do so, and allowed myself to do so. There is no "the devil made me do it" excuses. My how we have lived so beneath the place that God has prepared for us.

It comes down to a choice for the born again saint. God will not force us, and since we are a new creature in Christ, the sinful man cannot force us either, as we are free from the bondage.

Yahooo! Amen! That is why Paul used the word YIELD when he said do not yield yourselves as servants to sin. We never knew it was our choice, but Paul reveals it cxertainly is. But when we do not know that, we EXPECT TO SIN. And that means we lack faith that we do not have to.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Bro. MFBlume, what you present appears idealistic and appealing, but I don't think it is realistic to think we can live life on earth without any sin...do you think there are folks that live their christian life in complete and spotless holiness without a hint of sin, or do we crucify ourselves daily....I appreciate your desire in the striving, and I am all for it, but I suggest we never quite reach it...thankfully, we are not required to live perfectly....woe is me if I had to live perfectly....I'd be a miserable failure....a wretched man indeed....and that is why I am in need of a Savior.

J-Roc,

You are correct. No one can do this. Only Jesus was perfect and without sin. But God does not ask you to do it. He asks that you just allow his spirit to become the dominating force in your life, and he will live his life through you. Your only part is the choosing this day whom you will serve. Either the carnal, or the spiritual.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Brother, what saith the scriptures? Forget about what people are living like. Most misunderstand Paul. But what do the scriptures day?

Elder Romans 7 is scripture.

[Sister Alvear]

I know some people and I think Elder Epley knows them also. They think you are not born again until there is NO sin in you for a born again person cannot sin...
If that be true then most of us are NOT born again for at some point or the other we sin...in deed or in thought or in actions...What do you all think?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder Romans 7 is scripture.

Of course it is. But our interpretation of it is what brings problems or correctness.

I preach more out of Rom 6 and 7 than ANYTHING ELSE lately. I know Rom 7 is scripture.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I know some people and I think Elder Epley knows them also. They think you are not born again until there is NO sin in you for a born again person cannot sin...
If that be true then most of us are NOT born again for at some point or the other we sin...in deed or in thought or in actions...What do you all think?

The same epistle they probably use, 1 John, that says if we have God's seed in us we cannot sin, also says that IF WE SIN we have an advocate. So those of whom you speak are mistaken, sister.

SIN IS STILL IN OUR FLESH. We just keep it dormant by refusing to use flesh to serve God, but instead rely upon the Spirit to serve Him. That is what Paul meant when he said sin was in his flesh and was revived when he resorted to LAW to serve God. We must serve Him by reliance on His Spirit. And the 5th chapter of Gal that says we will not fulfill lusts of the flesh if we walk in the Spirit, also says that the results or FRUIT of the Spirit have no law against them! We do things that law cannot point a finger at, although we never even resorted to law to do them, but instead to the POWER OF THE SPIRIT.

As soon as we resort to flesh and self effort, sin rises up and slays us all over again.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

J-Roc,

You are correct. No one can do this. Only Jesus was perfect and without sin. But God does not ask you to do it. He asks that you just allow his spirit to become the dominating force in your life, and he will live his life through you. Your only part is the choosing this day whom you will serve. Either the carnal, or the spiritual.

You got it perfectly!

Only JESUS can live this life. That is why Paul said CHRIST LIVED IN HIM.

[Sister Alvear]

Quite often I am in the flesh....

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Quite often I am in the flesh....

Aren't we all. But the Lord wants us to walk in the Spirit.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I know some people and I think Elder Epley knows them also. They think you are not born again until there is NO sin in you for a born again person cannot sin...
If that be true then most of us are NOT born again for at some point or the other we sin...in deed or in thought or in actions...What do you all think?

They are wonderful people I have known them all my life and in all these years they do not have ONE person born again. The pastor and his dear wife both died not claiming to be born again of course they were whether they knew it or not.