100% tithe receiving pastors and the IRS - DANGEROUS

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NO sir you again are incorrect controlling the tithe does NOT make it taxable ONLY what you recieve personally. A tax professional set our up along with about 300 churches. He goes to the IRS clinics every year for the new changes. Your info is flawed.

Bro. Epley, I'm glad to hear you say you actually get a SALARY. I thought you thought salaries were wrong. I understand that you set the salary, but I'm glad that it comes as a salary, for IRS purposes. I was under the idea that you just got ALL the money personally, and was wondering how in the world you guys reported that to the IRS????

By the way, the salary that our deacons set for us was way more than if we had set one ourselves. They are very generous, and we don't feel like we are employees. They totally respect Eddie as the one in charge.

[COOPER]

Oh yeah!!!

This is funny..

The IRS can pound salt, for all I care! It's none of their business what I get paid!....

Pastor demands tithes but don't want to pay taxes!!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Let's turn this around:

Can God bless a stingy believer more than he can bless a believer with a giving heart?

What is so objectionable about following this principle?

Please note I didn't ask what was ojectionable about teaching it as a salvational issue or NT law.

God blesses people that give of their abundance with a cheerful heart. It sure has worked for me. Would you deprive your fellow travellers of the fullness of God's blessing for their lives?

Absolutely not ... give ... give ... give ...

I have clearly stated previously the following in another thread:

As for me, I commend Christians who practice tithing as a voluntary practice, as Abraham did, as a way to enable the church to fulfill its God-given commission to preach the gospel to the world. It's the teaching of it being compulsory, even salvational, and the misapplication of its usages that is bothersome to me. If a person wants to give 10% as benchmark for their giving .... Praise God.

The issue at hand is not giving as one friend here quoted:

this issue at hand IS NOT about giving....rather, the issues are (as you pointed out so eloquently) about the compulsory rules-based teaching, its guilt-inducing tactics, its soteriological implications and its means of distribution! These are some of the paramount issues that need to be addressed!

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Bro. Epley, I'm glad to hear you say you actually get a SALARY. I thought you thought salaries were wrong. I understand that you set the salary, but I'm glad that it comes as a salary, for IRS purposes. I was under the idea that you just got ALL the money personally, and was wondering how in the world you guys reported that to the IRS????

By the way, the salary that our deacons set for us was way more than if we had set one ourselves. They are very generous, and we don't feel like we are employees. They totally respect Eddie as the one in charge.

Sherri, I believe your case is like the majority of cases where the board sets the salary. A pastor would probably be more conservative on what he set as his own salary as compared to what a board would set for him.

I know that for years Pastor Hardwick has turned down huge salary increases suggested by the board.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Bro. Epley, I'm glad to hear you say you actually get a SALARY. I thought you thought salaries were wrong. I understand that you set the salary, but I'm glad that it comes as a salary, for IRS purposes. I was under the idea that you just got ALL the money personally, and was wondering how in the world you guys reported that to the IRS????

By the way, the salary that our deacons set for us was way more than if we had set one ourselves. They are very generous, and we don't feel like we are employees. They totally respect Eddie as the one in charge.

I don't think Bro Epley is sitting on the 2.5 million offerings mentioned. Many smaller churches do have the Pastor taking the entire Tithe, it may be $100 one week and $1000 the next. I agree with MOW, it would be better to set a salary and not take more than needed, or that would be a problem. I see many pastors like chseeds who work a job to keep the church open. That man is precious, and without his TITHE back into the church, it would fail. That is why there are receipts for expenses incurred. I would guess chseeds or Bro Epley pay out more than others would even expect.

If the church is doing well, I have no problem with a man earning a decent wage, getting a housing allowance, and if needs be, getting a nice car. Even a Preacher's Buick or Lincoln is acceptable.

[StillStanding]

I had a pastor tell me one time that he sacrificially gives to the church more than anyone, because he has to use part of the tithe to pay utilities, mortgage payment, secretary's salary, etc.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Absolutely not ... give ... give ... give ...

I have clearly stated previously the following in another thread:


The issue at hand is not giving as one friend here quoted:

It seems to my unlearned mind that you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. I have more questions, and I intend them to be conveyed in a friendly and curious manner, even though I rely too heavily on sarcasm at times.

In addition, you have exhumed the well-beaten, dead, buried, exhumed by torchlight, and beaten-again argument against teaching tithing as mandatory and/or salvational. For all intents and purposes on this board, this argument is a straw man.

Neither of us is making a statement for it, so there is no reason to refute it. Again.

What, specifically, are you saying Brother Epley does not have a bible basis for?

The way he has set up his church accounting?

The NT bible verses he quoted do support the principle.

Are you arguing against Abraham's tithes to Melchizedek being a valid precedent?

If the principles and allegories found in the OT aren't valid, beneficial, or instructional for this dispensation, why don't we rip out the entire OT and lighten our load?

I am trying to understand your position. But responding to things I didn't say aren't helpful.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

From what I have studied and know a little about tax law, pastors who believe that they should receive ALL the tithes from their churches are in a dangerous situation. If they indeed, receive ALL of the tithes, no matter how much or how little it was or what it was spent on, they are liable for the taxes due on the entire amount.

If those who believe they should receive all the tithes want to be consistent, honest and forthright, they should file their taxes with the entire amount as income. Failure to do so will be considered tax evasion and fraud.

So, feeling lucky today...punk?

How much of a chance are you willing to take?

BTW, to keep some of you out of jail, this poll is private!

What is wrong with receiving all the tithes if it amounts to a decent living or less?

[Bro-Larry]

Show us the law that says, "Caesar" is due taxes on wages.!! The IRS tax Code is not law. There is tax due on interest and investment earnings.

Fraud is filing and lying about the amount.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

There are NO LEVITES TODAY ....

WRONG!!!







































It says so right on the tag...on all three pair of my LEVIs.