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01-26-2008, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PastorD
Stead....I respond not to question you or your pastorate. I believe you are passionate about what you do. However, I am staggered by this post. Having preached weeks on end in your area for the last 15 years, I can't think of one pastor there that would 'condone' or agree with shacking up or social drinking. It may go on, but they are not in agreement with it.
And then you saying that after dating young people from other churches yours are questioning Baptism in Jesus Name. I don't know of one pastor in your area that has such disrespect for Baptism.
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I didn't realize he pastored close enough to my church for our saints and young people to have corrupted his!
(I assumed he must be talking about some independent Oneness churches in his area that had "gone charismtaic", not UPC ones.)
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01-26-2008, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PastorD
Stead....I respond not to question you or your pastorate. I believe you are passionate about what you do. However, I am staggered by this post. Having preached weeks on end in your area for the last 15 years, I can't think of one pastor there that would 'condone' or agree with shacking up or social drinking. It may go on, but they are not in agreement with it.
And then you saying that after dating young people from other churches yours are questioning Baptism in Jesus Name. I don't know of one pastor in your area that has such disrespect for Baptism.
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My lips are sealed 
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01-26-2008, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by StMark
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That's a first! 
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01-26-2008, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
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01-26-2008, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by StMark
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Speak up!
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01-26-2008, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by PastorD
Speak up!
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This whole thing is unreal!
If you want to know the real deal on all of it, come west.
that's all. Y'all have a pleasant day
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01-26-2008, 11:50 AM
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pianoman....
You and I think alike...they could not afford to critisize.....to do so would have brought disdain...so instead they worshipped together and felt God so it was all good...
The men who planned this are very smart and very intelligent.... but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure these things out....
Spend some time in the vicinity of some and you'll learn more than you need to know...
Remember to ask the local men around them what they feel about them...
As St. Mark said...Go West...and you'll soon figure it out.....cuz' everything that glows ain't always purty......
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01-26-2008, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jbigg
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I personally know 5 of those guys....
one lost his church b/c of immoral actions
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01-26-2008, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by revrandy
pianoman....
You and I think alike...they could not afford to critisize.....to do so would have brought disdain...so instead they worshipped together and felt God so it was all good...
The men who planned this are very smart and very intelligent.... but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure these things out....
Spend some time in the vicinity of some and you'll learn more than you need to know...
Remember to ask the local men around them what they feel about them...
As St. Mark said...Go West...and you'll soon figure it out.....cuz' everything that glows ain't always purty......
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Randy are you really sure about this???? But Randy what is your opinion about the youth - that is, that they are more holy then other youth ???? just curious
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01-26-2008, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jrLA
Standing for your convictions is one thing. I applaud you for that. You do have a right to protect your people, that is for sure. You should feel that way.
Of course, there are times when your conviction outwieghs your committment to unity. I understand that. It is just that these men are not motivated by simple conviction. This organization or Fellowship has men on their general committee that ARE NOT conservative. I know for a fact. Their churches are the most liberal in the area! So, how can it be just about conviction and holiness! No, friend that may be their battle cry, but it isn't the true motive. That is for sure. Try politics...position... Now that is my opinion. But it seems very obvious. I may not be as old as you are, but I know some things as well! And...those things did not come from this forum!
The UPC is a very diverse group. Literally from one end of the spectrum to the other. I believe that is one of the things that makes us great. I certainly don't agree with eveything my brethren do or the nieghboring church does. There are instances where there MAY need to be restrictions on fellowship, but in my expirience that is few and far between.
I believe in teaching my people to live for GOd for themselves. Get your convictions for you! Don't pay attention to what the other church is doing as far as your convictions. There are hipocrites in EVERY church! I've got to learn to keep my eyes on God not them. Just as Peter stepped out of the boat and took his eyes off of Jesus and sunk....so will I if I take my eyes off of Jesus. I am not sure if always sheltering folks from reality is the best way to protect them. (jmo)
Steadfast....You pastor with great wisdom and I applaud you for seeking to protect your folks. But, I don't believe that is the same thing as this Tulsa business! Not the same at all!  |
Amen. That is how I believe it. Teach convictions instead of sheltering.
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