Even so, for men who really do believe what they preach this becomes problematic.
I really shouldnt but it here.... but....
Steadfast, my only issue with this line is, these same issues have been "the issues" since 1945.
the UPCI has had men going to meetings and seeing liberals in the camp from day one.
more than once, some group of men have left the UPCI because it was too liberal, yet the UPCI seems to still be filled with men who range from one side the other.
how come these guys just now got their gut full? i just dont get that.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
It is not about the proverbial straws at all. It is not about what someone else might be doing within the fellowship. It is about unrest and discontentment in the soul...a dissatisfaction, a utopian longing of idealistic aspirations crippled by deception. When the light fades, ghosts appear and the peace of God takes His flight, the mind is left to wander without an anchor while continually seeking yet another milestone of perfection in the flesh.
Such men trouble you. Paul said that he would that they were CUT OFF. But Jesus said, "Peace give I unto you, not as the world gives, give I, but my peace. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither be afraid."
Well, Apprehended, you obviously are in disagreement with my belief that it was a matter of 'you've pushed me far enough; I'm not being pushed any further.' I genuinely believe it and will continue to believe it (even if some claim that is a lie as well).
If you are so adamant about them being 'cut off' then Tulsa isn't your problem... it's your answer.
I may not be among the Tulsa group... but I stand confident in their right to align themselves with those whose value system more closely matches theirs.
To allow anything less is to deny God the right to put those values in them.
God bless the Tulsa crowd with great Apostolic revival. I can only hope the UPC has a mighty outpouring as well.
I get the point. LOL. I still think care needs to be taken.
if we're not careful we become guilty of doing the same things we judge others of doing and our attitudes and spirits get bent out of shape. Jesus' attitude and His instruction to His disciples was to "let them be".
The fact is that it hurts to see division take place. Sometimes it's a necessary hurt though. Other times it's simply a result of people getting caught up in politics and "issues".
We can still be "one" in the most important purpose of all which is to reach the lost with the Gospel and see lives transformed and saved from hell.
Pray about it. Lift your eyes from what you can see from the "natural viewpoint". Try to look at everything from God's point of view. If you do, you'll see little justification for judgmentalism and accusation.
God puts up with all of us. He loves us and is patient and merciful with us all, and like I say He's most concerned with souls being saved.
We get caught up in issues of pride and competition, carnal reasoning, and it sucks the spirit and life right out of us and then we wonder why there's so much barren-ness and so much unspirituality in our OWN ranks.
Pray for your brothers -- even those who have chosen to walk a different path. Let them know you love them and that you wish them the best. God will bless you for that and it will reap a good harvest.
It doesn't matter what others do. We're responsible for ourselves and no matter how others act we have a responsibility to keep our own attitudes and spirits right and to react in a right spirit, with kindness, God's love, self control and temperance which are ..... after all ....... the fruit of the Spirit.
Almost word for word from my pastor's sermon yesterday, girl...
LOL!!! I think it is somewhat as how the great Will Rogers once said " I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat".
The AMF is organized but as loosely as possible. To pick a leader they all line up at one end of the sanctuary and run for the door. The slowest one "gets" to be the leader for the next year.
*BUMP* For Elder Epley. Did you see my reply above when someone asked if the AMF was an organization? LOL!!
Steadfast, my only issue with this line is, these same issues have been "the issues" since 1945.
the UPCI has had men going to meetings and seeing liberals in the camp from day one.
more than once, some group of men have left the UPCI because it was too liberal, yet the UPCI seems to still be filled with men who range from one side the other.
how come these guys just now got their gut full? i just dont get that.
I HATE the liberal/conserative label.........I remember at one time in my life God even blessed us to help put on a meeting that was considered on the conserative side - but even there I would find men who would ask - ........ What are you doing here?........as in I was way to liberal to be there........
Then a few weeks later I visited a different conference and was ask ........ What are you doing here?........as in Dude you are WAYYYY to conserative to be here......
This really bothered me and so I took it to the Lord in prayer...........while I was traveling home from the second conference (and some may not believe this part) I felt the power of God come into the car and so I ask Him.........God what am I to do.........These guys think I am a liberal.....these others think I am too conserative........then I ask, God Where Am I?????????
I felt the power of God and then I felt a voice speak to me.......and HE said........Just stay in the shadow of the cross.......
Being the IAM that I am I argued.......but what about those on the left who feel I am one way and those on the right who feel I am another........what about them.........Then the answer came......If I am in the shadow of the Cross then those on the left are on the left of the cross and those on the right are on the right and neither one is in the shadow of the Cross........
So from that day on.......I will never try to impress you with how Holy or Liberal I am........I just want to do His will, be saved, and see my family saved and there be a church built in Longview Texas for the Glory of the Kingdom of God.........
And my friend other than that.......... NOTHING else matters............
What I was thinking........dont go well with his skin tones either........or hair (or lack thereof) either.........stick to the blue Steddy..........
YouAintaMovin,
BTW - I am going to be in your fair city next month for a wedding. It is going to be one of those crazy fast trips I hate. One day of driving, one day of wedding, and then one day of driving back home. Arghhhhhh.
I still think care needs to be taken.
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