Medical Study Proves Speaking In Tongues.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

I was referring specifically to speaking in tongues.
thanks, I will revisit my thinking with this info.



I study a multitude of things. But mostly I try to sort out the Bible. I'm learning Hebrew, very slowly, and intend to learn Greek.



Seems like a decent method, for the most part.

This puzzles me. Without faith, well what is faith? Blind faith? Believing something that you have cause to believe? Believing something that's impossible? What?
FAITH is the most crazy, mishandled, randomized word in our PENTECOSTAL speak....and this REALLY does makes my heart ache.

FAITH is an experience with the SPIRIT's utterance, the Spirit's counsels...it primarily involves what we would call HEARING but it can certainly be experienced as a SCENE (seeing). The problem for most of the world is they are NOT SEEKING to know or HEAR anything from God so they DON'T!

Faith is a transaction; a creature in the temporal realm experiences a witness within another realm; some REALITY is heard (or seen) from within the Spirit realm. You do not make this stuff up. YOu do not call it down from heaven. It is not anything like wishing upon a star; no click of heels together, no vain repetitions will do anything to conjure a response. But you will be involved in seeking or asking because you are wonderfully made as a free will creature.


Rewarder of them that diligently seek him? What kind of reward? And why do I want it?
Because you have already confessed to having questions. Our lives are filled with various desires to experience and to explore. God will meet us at some place where our desire has taken us. God wants us to know that he EXISTS and he is ABLE to AFFECT our world when we ask him to!


That thought truly terrifies me.

Repentance? What does that really mean anyhow? And how is that going to take us further from a the scary aspects of a righteous God?

I know what repentance is, but I have never really been able to work out how that applies to real life. Are you referring to telling God "I'm sorry", or the gut wrenching sobs or the act of changing behavior? Or something else?

Each of us have an opportunity to be reinvented as God reshapes our lives by reshaping our heart's desires. A change in our heart's desires (appetites) is repentance. Saying your sorry may be an evidence of godly sorrow but it is NOT repentance.

[berkeley]

Nahkoe, A few months ago you informed me that you spoke in tongues AGAIN! * RAISES BROW *

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Bryan

Nahkoe, A few months ago you informed me that you spoke in tongues AGAIN! * RAISES BROW *

And I haven't since then.

Yes, I did and it has raised more questions than it ever answered. You know as well as anyone else that I was still trying to discredit the whole thing. I can't do that now, experience is pretty hard to discredit in this case.

I don't understand. What is this for? What am I supposed to do with this? Why???

Why did I handle this like a hot potato and set it on a shelf behind closed doors when so many other people speak so highly of this experience and gift? Either I'm missing something huge, or there are a lot of crazy people posting here. I'm not quite full enough of myself to think it's the latter.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by tbpew

FAITH is the most crazy, mishandled, randomized word in our PENTECOSTAL speak....and this REALLY does makes my heart ache.

FAITH is an experience with the SPIRIT's utterance, the Spirit's counsels...it primarily involves what we would call HEARING but it can certainly be experienced as a SCENE (seeing). The problem for most of the world is they are NOT SEEKING to know or HEAR anything from God so they DON'T!

Faith is a transaction; a creature in the temporal realm experiences a witness within another realm; some REALITY is heard (or seen) from within the Spirit realm. You do not make this stuff up. YOu do not call it down from heaven. It is not anything like wishing upon a star; no click of heels together, no vain repetitions will do anything to conjure a response. But you will be involved in seeking or asking because you are wonderfully made as a free will creature.

So it's all the things that I can't discount. All the experiences that have no other explanation. It's all the things I think on and the reality of the impossibility is almost too much to consider.

Originally Posted by tbpew

Each of us have an opportunity to be reinvented as God reshapes our lives by reshaping our heart's desires. A change in our heart's desires (appetites) is repentance. Saying your sorry may be an evidence of godly sorrow but it is NOT repentance.

Ok.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Ok, and I am not being picky but really just wondering.

Is there any scripture that indicates that speaking in tongues is for the purpose of allowing God to say things through us or pray through us?

Also, I understand that God has chosen prayer as a way that he uses us to accomplish his will but does he need to speak certain things through us or is speaking in tongues mostly for the benefit of the person doing the speaking?

Jesus said when the Spirit of truth comes it would lead us and guide is into all truth. That truth is Christ. Jesus said...he will testify of me. So, the purpose of the Holy Spirit is to bring us back into relationship with Christ by which we can be reconciled to God. Having said that...the purpose of tongues was to witness of Messiah who had come. They heard them speak in their own language.

This gift was necessary in ancient lands without modern communication and translatable abilities. We must remember that gifts are given to help us. We may not need certain gifts that were used in ancient times, simply due to the fact of modern communication. Christ is now preached and proclaimed on TV in just about every language. That in itself is a great miracle.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Nope no tongues here see no need in it I can talk to god in my own languge he gave me plus I do not want to talk to god and not understand what I am saying be kind of pointless in talking with him or praying to him and not understand what I am taking about

Did He give you your own language or did you learn to speak as a child,
or were taught by someone. A human!

Except you receive the Giver, you will never receive the Gift.

You could not commune-icate with someone in Spanish, Chinese.
Japanese or other, unless you either had an interpeter or knew the
language. But...Romans 8:26,27,

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

1Cor.2:9-14

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You will never receive or understand the things of the Spirit until you re-
ceive the one who gave them. Faith is believing without seeing! If you can
see it, you don't need to have faith. Faith cometh by hearing,and hearing
by the Word of God.

Heb.11:6,
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Not to be offensive, but hopefully to help!

Falla39

[berkeley]

Nahkoe,

I think that your experiences in life have caused all this. IMO, you need to control something because you couldn't control events of the past. So you fight this because it is something out of your control.

I've been there. Reason why I was, well you know, for so many years. I needed to feel like I was in the captain's chair because so much had taken place in my childhood that was out of my hands.

I know what it's like to be guarded with God, because so many people that I were supposed to trust have hurt me. I can't trust man and I'm supposed o trust God????

I am so grateful that that part of my life is over with. I'm almost completely stable.

Should I have taken this to PM?? Did I miss the mark? I've missed it a time or two.

Love you,
berk

[giftofgrace]

you know Sis. Nahkoe, I believe that you are honestly searching out the scriptures and really do want answers. On the same note, I think we just have to keep in mind that our ways are NOT God's ways, we are not going to understand everything we read, the gospel as a whole cannot be logically and scientifically explained. What would be the purpose of faith? Most of it we can by studying and hearing the preached word of God. Prayer along with your study is absolutely essential, else we fall into false doctrine. I don't believe when it comes to faith and rewards that we should question why should I believe or why should I want the reward.. The bottom line is that He died for us and has given us a chance to have new life and believe His promises by faith, instead of demanding a sign our part is to just believe. If we are not even open to something, we won't experience all that God has for us, He is still a gentleman. Yield yourself, and the questions will be answered in time if you have the faith!

[nahkoe]

Posting this here was fine.

I sent you a PM though. lol

Originally Posted by Bryan

Nahkoe,

I think that your experiences in life have caused all this. IMO, you need to control something because you couldn't control events of the past. So you fight this because it is something out of your control.

I've been there. Reason why I was, well you know, for so many years. I needed to feel like I was in the captain's chair because so much had taken place in my childhood that was out of my hands.

I know what it's like to be guarded with God, because so many people that I were supposed to trust have hurt me. I can't trust man and I'm supposed o trust God????

I am so grateful that that part of my life is over with. I'm almost completely stable.

Should I have taken this to PM?? Did I miss the mark? I've missed it a time or two.

Love you,
berk

[giftofgrace]

Sis. Nahkoe,
When you spoke in tongues what was it like to you?..Useless? Silly?