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Originally Posted by mfblume
Incorrect. The PERSON of God is eternal and has always been deity. But this person took upon Himself the nature of humanity as well through incarnation alone. The person existed before the incarnation existed. And the incarnation involved human nature. There is no Son without human nature. And since human nature is not eternal, the Son is not eternal either. God took upon Himself the nature of humanity -- the nature of Abraham, which is human. Sonship cannot exist with fatherhood and motherhood. We cnanot change definitions of words as trinitarianism does with the term SON. There is no such thing as a Son without both a mother and father. Therefore, since the mother is not eternal, the Son never can be and never was eternal.
Since the Person of God was incarnate, then the Son is not a mere projection of God, but is God in very person. But there is only One Person.
Incorrect. The Son's PERSON, which is the same Person as the Father and Holy Ghost, is eternal. This Person of God existed at one time without ever having incarnated Himself. Therefore, the Son is not eternal, but His person is.
It's really quite simple.
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OK then please explain how;
John 14:23, 17:5, 17:24,
Hebrews 1:2,
Colossians 1:16-17 fit into your theology, if your right you’ll be able to explain the use of the word SON in each of these four passages (context for
John 17:5 in verse 1 and for
Colossians 1:16-17 at verse 13). It’s not very convincing the way you always duck these verses. You claim Mr Blume that the Son is the same person as the Father, OK well expalin these 5 passages in the light of yoru claim. How can the Son be the father when for instance the Son possesses glory WITH the Father from before the creation (
John 17:5).
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