All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Originalist

The only reason there is power in the name is because of the cross...

More correctly, the resurrection that afforded him glorification when He ascended and was enthroned. But nevertheless, the invocation of the NAME OF THE KING demands results.

Because of his obedience unto the death of the cross, God counts the blood of Jesus as payment for our ransom, and gives Jesus alone the authority to forgive and justify. That is the significance of "the name".

Amen, but again that would be nothing if he was not resurrected and enthroned.

Furthermore, the "name" of Jesus is the same as the "person" of Jesus. As one writer explained....


This is why I think we as Apostolics are sometimes guilty of separating the name of Jesus from the person of Jesus.

Some are. Not me. It is HIS NAME through FAITH IN HIS NAME that made the cripple whole. And Peter said that salvation is in HIS NAME. The invocation is intrinsically united to His authority. And without actually saying the Name, the effect is not there as it should be.

Sins or demons, why do you think demons need to hear His name just because they're conscious beings?

Saying that there is "power in the name of Jesus" is the same as saying Jesus has all power. It's not the sound or vocalization that causes demons to tremble,

That is why I said said it's not sound waves.

but the remembrance of who it is that possesses that name and what he did to them at the cross and resurrection. If it was just vocalization of his name that has the power, or if using the name to cast out demons is the same as using it out "cast out sins", then we have a problem. The sons of Sceva bought into that myth when they used the vocalized name of Jesus to cast out a devils, and look where it got them. By your theory Mike a convert could be baptized in Jesus' name by a secretly backslid preacher and those sins would not leave because the preacher was not right, just like the demons would not leave though the sons of Sceva used the name of Jesus.

I already said it's not by sound waves of the name, bro. Let's not do the strawman thing, ok?

The point is, JESUS CHRIST forgives sinners who call upon his name, or call upon HIM, when they repent and are baptized. Jesus does not wait to see what the preacher says before he forgives them. I do not understand why some preachers stubbornly hold on to the Matthew 28 formula, or continue to teach that baptism is not essential to salvation. But God will not limit forgiveness of sins to the whims of a preacher.

We're getting offtrack here. You were talking about Jesus forgiving people in baptism without anyone having spoken the Name of Jesus.