The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Who has waged the war of faith vs. baptism? Let's think about that. We believe in baptism, TL.

Yes you do wage war. You wage war against what until means.

Don't be so pompous to suggest it's all "so clear" in your direction, when you hardly represent a speck of theological thought with your pseudo-BR theology.

You minimize justification -- that's clear. You don't understand it -- that's even more clear.

no you make justification something contradictory to what Abraham said and what is meant by Paul and James. Justification IN NOT COVENANT!

Your definition of believing lacks any substance, and only shows your one-dimensional view of it is a straw man for mental assent. God didn't say his "response" was righteous. You contort Paul's whole purpose in what he's saying to attempt to make that point. Why can't you see that? Your interpretation must still match Paul's purpose in Romans 3-6.

Really. so what is "IT" in the Gen 15:6? If "it" was not a response you make James a liar and you are ignoring the text. You can't consider nothing! You are blinded and ingore the WHOLE teaching of what "châshab" means and how God is always doing justice toward our responses.

Responses/Works... how can you claim this is NOT a works theology? Does it end after baptism and tongues? Are our responses continually judged? Must we repent of all of them? If we forget? How secure is your faith? How can you make a claim other than fragile? What do you and I have in common with Abram -- faith. What is the most-used phrase in Gospel of John - believing. Why is "faith" and "believing" such a hard topic? Why so quick to drag your friends "works" and "credit" out to meet them. What an insult to His gift. You can't even obey God without already being covered by Grace. Don't you get it?

Again as pointed out above you don't understand works in relation to faith and never have. Yes we are consistently judged. LOL Ever read REvelations and the letters to the churches. God sees your response and heart. Ezekial 18 is clear on the very aspect of how God looks at the heart. We are always under his covenant but are w abiding by it's agreement and at peace and not at enmity with God? The Spirit bears witness with ours that we are his children. Either we are following or not.

Again you fail to realize the proper aspect of "believing" in John of which I have given support for it's meaning muliple times of which you ignore. Faith is about context. I have pointed out constantly James White and others on this very issue. Saving Faith is a continous aspect not a point in time in is based on the realization of the context. Faith is based on following and doing. ALways has been always will be. Faith must follow it;s context. what is the context of James view of Gen 15:6?