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Old 04-16-2010, 09:16 PM
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Re: The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

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Originally Posted by NotforSale View Post
Jeff, your response for the most part is more of the same. Just admit it, you and I don't know and much of what you say is assumed.

My referral to Hell is the Eternal Damnation spoken of in the New Testament. I've studied Scripture intensely for over 30 years, and Eternal Fire, burning the lost for Eternity is not found in the Old Testament.

This is an important fact that we cannot, nor must not, ignore. This unseen place of doom has the Catholic Church written all over it and appears to be "More of the same". Just accept it because "It is Written". Forget the proof and just have blind Faith.
Give me a chance... ha. Sheesh.

Not to discount your questions, but is this a current crisis you are in? I've read words from you in the past that propped you as just as much a fundamentalist stooge as I

So let me ask you then... what's your answer? What's your solution to this crisis here?

The question is not what I don't know, it's what I do know. This topic can't be handled universally, to be fair. If you want to discuss the existence of God, which I can't prove to you, but which he has proven to me, that's a place to start. If you want me to discuss the credibility of the Bible, we can do that as well. I'll admit some vulnerabilities in my position, and admit to even some holes, but at the end of the day there's enough evidence that leads me to believe. If we want to talk about Jesus and if he is who he claimed, that's a starting point (and a great one).

So... I will actually agree with you. I don't know! But I am persuaded, and persuaded by cognitive evidence, by my heart and soul and by empirical, existential means.

So... if you want to talk about Hell and it's validity in the scriptures, that's a GREAT discussion. But I kindly ask you to start a new thread for it. I'll chip in however I can. At the end of the day, I won't answer every lingering doubt. Neither will you or anyone else. We are all fellow men on a journey through this. I'm not afraid of your questions or doubt, because I have and had my own. But... I believe! Not with cognitive dissonance either. I fully believe in the most essential of cases. I am persuaded by others, and have doubt about others. There's room for us all. Imagine that. We don't have to have it all figured out.

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