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Originally Posted by mfblume
Love is God's will. But it is not unloving just because someone says a group of people who wholesalingly reject the crucifixion are lost because the bible says without the cross one is lost.
But once again you fail to discuss the issue that you raised about the garments.
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I'm really not interested in the cheap shots, Mike. By all means, keep to your knowledge, and hold it sacred. If you believe it is loving and showing humility to condemn others as lost, and that you have found some knowledge that makes you saved, that spiritually expresses the Cross, then be sure in your own mind. Scripture provides many indicators for hypocrisy, which is hard to see in ourselves, but quickly evident to others.
How do you determine if someone is saved or lost, again? Tell me, if you know. And since you will not admit that verbal declarations are sufficient for most OPs, i will say it. And we both know that an OP would not accept any declarations that they might be lost; yet others are supposed to take it from them. I could go on, but i think the point is sufficiently made.
And while there can be hypocrisy in knowledge, and even works, there is none in love. Love does not split into many sects, all disagreeing with each other on some irrelevant issue. As the NT teaches, over and over, in many parables--the ones OPs shy away from like hot potatoes, or give huge, intricate explanations for--love is not a product of faith; but faith must be a product of love. The very passages you mention to secure your faith in knowledge,
2 John 1, 1 Peter, on and on, testify that love is the point. "Do not be deceived, little children."
But more than that i think, 65 million Americans leaving traditional church testify to it. They didn't leave because they experienced too much love. They were seekers, who left because of hypocrisy. So i'll say again, if your knowledge leads you to love, great! But if it leads you to "the Good Samaritan is lost," or "Christ wasn't really saying that we should love one another, that is law," or "Everyone else is lost, who doesn't have the knowledge i have," or any of the other contortions you have demonstrated here, at least be warned that some self examination might be in order.
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