My new cuss word

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by meBNme

That's cause IMO you had a hissy fit LOL
Not as bad as a hanky stompin hissy fit, but a hissy fit nonetheless.


To express displeasure, to me, would have been to say "I don't like that joke about drowning pelosi, I don't think it's funny." and left it there.

Now, it's perfectly within your rights to pitch a hissy fit, even a hanky stompin, denture loosin, cry to mamma, hissy fit, should you have chosen so.

Just as its acceptable for me to point out your hissy fit and ask questions about it.

I will say that from this brief encounter with you, You have convinced me that my first knee jerk impression of you was wrong. That makes me glad I asked questions first.
Apparently, you are not the politically driven, angry, fault finding, person with a double standard that at first I was wondering about.

Maybe you just have a very different sense of humor, or very little sense of humor. Maybe you are just a very serious person who does not enjoy most humor and cast the appearance of a slightly abrasive character?

I don't know, but I'm glad I looked deeper. I guess further interaction will help me learn even more.

MeBNme,

I stated in a post earlier that I knew what you were getting at and said you were dropping insinuations. You responded by saying, "For you to be so quick to assume the negative does however make me wonder about your spirit in this matter."

But here in this post, you say that you wondered about my being a "politically driven, angry, fault finding, person with a double standard".

It seems to me that my original suspicions of you dropping insinuations may have been correct, no?

But regardless, although my political leanings tend to be conservative, I would never put a political opinion between a person and the cross. I'm afraid that too often, the Christian Community is more concerned about "Making Republicans" than "Making Disciples."

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Irreligious

But regardless, although my political leanings tend to be conservative, I would never put a political opinion between a person and the cross. I'm afraid that too often, the Christian Community is more concerned about "Making Republicans" than "Making Disciples."

Interesting thought.

[meBNme]

Originally Posted by Irreligious

MeBNme,

I stated in a post earlier that I knew what you were getting at and said you were dropping insinuations. You responded by saying, "For you to be so quick to assume the negative does however make me wonder about your spirit in this matter."

But here in this post, you say that you wondered about my being a "politically driven, angry, fault finding, person with a double standard".

It seems to me that my original suspicions of you dropping insinuations may have been correct, no?

But regardless, although my political leanings tend to be conservative, I would never put a political opinion between a person and the cross. I'm afraid that too often, the Christian Community is more concerned about "Making Republicans" than "Making Disciples."

We cannot always controll what thoughts enter our mind. We can only controll what we do with them.

When I thought, Hmmmm, this guys comments seem remarkably like others Ive sen so many times, I wonder if he is just another politically driven, double stand etc etc etc." So instead of running with that though and just assuming it was so, I asked questions that allow you to answer and clarify.

I did not just assume the negative and place you in that stereotype, I asked instead, not someone else about you, but you directly.


The difference I see, is that when the thought ran through your mind "This guy is insinuating all this negativity falsely" You then just assumed it was so, instead of digging into it to find out for sure. That's why I made the comment that it makes one wonder about your spirit.

Note, even knowing that, I did not even say "you have a negative or bad spirit" I said it makes me wonder about it.

I try, (I don't always succeed LOL) to think first and find out for sure before assuming and making comments on assumptions. Every time I've seceded in that, I'm very grateful I did so.

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by meBNme

We cannot always controll what thoughts enter our mind. We can only controll what we do with them.

When I thought, Hmmmm, this guys comments seem remarkably like others Ive sen so many times, I wonder if he is just another politically driven, double stand etc etc etc." So instead of running with that though and just assuming it was so, I asked questions that allow you to answer and clarify.

I did not just assume the negative and place you in that stereotype, I asked instead, not someone else about you, but you directly.


The difference I see, is that when the thought ran through your mind "This guy is insinuating all this negativity falsely" You then just assumed it was so, instead of digging into it to find out for sure. That's why I made the comment that it makes one wonder about your spirit.

Note, even knowing that, I did not even say "you have a negative or bad spirit" I said it makes me wonder about it.

I try, (I don't always succeed LOL) to think first and find out for sure before assuming and making comments on assumptions. Every time I've seceded in that, I'm very grateful I did so.

Exactly. And I could tell by the tone of your questions what you were thinking which is why I said, "Look, I know what you're getting at."

You thought it, I said it.

But regardless.....I don't like the propensity to disrespectfulness among many Christians towards our government leaders. It's extremely clear in the New Testament and in early church history that "The Church" didn't give a rip about what government did. They followed it, respected it, prayed for it, and at times, died at the hands of government. But with the advent of groups like "The Moral Majority", we as Christians have become comfortable with tearing down our leaders by name.

Historically, the movement of Jesus Christ has never prospered so greatly as when it was so greatly opposed by established government.

If something is done in our modern Christian culture, that the culture doesn't like, we go nuts with petition campaigns and voter registration drives. But when Jesus was crucified, the ultimate anti-Christian act, no one organized a voter drive or attempted to bring down the government. What did they do? They turned the world upside down by taking the gospel to the ends of the earth.

Let's say an establishment of "ill-repute" comes to town. There are two ways to bring it down....1) Protest, boycott, do petitions, etc., or 2) Turn the establishment into a mission field, bring the customers to faith in Christ and the establishment of "ill-repute' will be forced to close because of lack of customers.

I said all this earlier and Ferd said I was "preaching at him" and Admin even publicly rebuked me. But history can't be re-written on this subject.

[meBNme]

Originally Posted by Irreligious

Exactly. And I could tell by the tone of your questions what you were thinking which is why I said, "Look, I know what you're getting at."

You thought it, I said it.

But regardless.....I don't like the propensity to disrespectfulness among many Christians towards our government leaders. It's extremely clear in the New Testament and in early church history that "The Church" didn't give a rip about what government did. They followed it, respected it, prayed for it, and at times, died at the hands of government. But with the advent of groups like "The Moral Majority", we as Christians have become comfortable with tearing down our leaders by name.

Historically, the movement of Jesus Christ has never prospered so greatly as when it was so greatly opposed by established government.

If something is done in our modern Christian culture, that the culture doesn't like, we go nuts with petition campaigns and voter registration drives. But when Jesus was crucified, the ultimate anti-Christian act, no one organized a voter drive or attempted to bring down the government. What did they do? They turned the world upside down by taking the gospel to the ends of the earth.

Let's say an establishment of "ill-repute" comes to town. There are two ways to bring it down....1) Protest, boycott, do petitions, etc., or 2) Turn the establishment into a mission field, bring the customers to faith in Christ and the establishment of "ill-repute' will be forced to close because of lack of customers.

I said all this earlier and Ferd said I was "preaching at him" and Admin even publicly rebuked me. But history can't be re-written on this subject.

Very good post, I agree with 99% of it.

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by meBNme

Very good post, I agree with 99% of it.

Why, thank you! Should I pick a fight and ask what the 1% would be or should I just be happy with the 99%? ; )

Naw....really, in my humble, tiny, little opinion, I just think it's a mistake when we do these flag-waving, Bible-thumping celebrations of our "Nation that was founded on Christian principles." For the most part, very few of our founding fathers were Christians. Deists? Yes, they were. Christians? No way.

Thomas Jefferson even assembled a Bible in which he removed most all of the things that we, as Christ-followers, hold dear.

Would we REALLY want a modern-day government that operated by the standards and morals of our founding fathers? I, for one, wouldn't want that.

When we attempt to change society through law, we should realize that the Old Testament has already proven that doesn't work. We cannot legislate righteousness.

I better stop...I'm probably as passionate about this as D. James Kennedy was from the other side!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Irreligious

Why, thank you! Should I pick a fight and ask what the 1% would be or should I just be happy with the 99%? ; )

Naw....really, in my humble, tiny, little opinion, I just think it's a mistake when we do these flag-waving, Bible-thumping celebrations of our "Nation that was founded on Christian principles." For the most part, very few of our founding fathers were Christians. Deists? Yes, they were. Christians? No way.

Thomas Jefferson even assembled a Bible in which he removed most all of the things that we, as Christ-followers, hold dear.

Would we REALLY want a modern-day government that operated by the standards and morals of our founding fathers? I, for one, wouldn't want that.

When we attempt to change society through law, we should realize that the Old Testament has already proven that doesn't work. We cannot legislate righteousness.

I better stop...I'm probably as passionate about this as D. James Kennedy was from the other side!

Start a thread on this subject.

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Start a thread on this subject.

I'm afraid to! I'd get thrashed and I've already met my thrash quota for the month!! ; )

Well, maybe I should. What's your opinion of the whole "founding fathers" thing?