How do pastor's worship?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

My personal experience has been that the pastors participate. Maybe not quite as much, though.

Thinking of one of my former pastors who loved, loved, loved the shouting - yes, he participated. He'd get out in the aisles, put his arms around the men, and shout right with them.

Yea, I'm sure there are examples of others that do get into those aspects of worship.

Are you saying that your personal experience is that pastors do those forms of worship almost as much as the laypeople do but just not quite as much as them
?

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Yea, I'm sure there are examples of others that do get into those aspects of worship.

Are you saying that your personal experience is that pastors do those forms of worship almost as much as the laypeople do but just not quite as much as them
?

Some pastors spend a lot of time, during times of worship, going around praying for people. So that would cut into their shouting time.

But I've never personally come across a pastor who stressed shouting, that made me think - "So why don't you?" They may be out there, but I can only speak from my own limited experience.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Some pastors spend a lot of time, during times of worship, going around praying for people. So that would cut into their shouting time.

But I've never personally come across a pastor who stressed shouting, that made me think - "So why don't you?" They may be out there, but I can only speak from my own limited experience.

Me, either. The ones I've seen that make a big deal out of exuberant worship are also participants.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Some pastors spend a lot of time, during times of worship, going around praying for people. So that would cut into their shouting time.

But I've never personally come across a pastor who stressed shouting, that made me think - "So why don't you?" They may be out there, but I can only speak from my own limited experience.

That's what I'm trying to say though, those things that the pastor is doing instead of shouting are probably the more important. Maybe the laypeople should take his example and go around praying for each other more than they themselves shout?

As far as thinking a pastor should shout more. That wasn't the point. The point was that if the pastor doesn't shout much then maybe the laypeople should do what he is doing in place of shouting more.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by jfrog

That's what I'm trying to say though, those things that the pastor is doing instead of shouting are probably the more important. Maybe the laypeople should take his example and go around praying for each other more than they themselves shout?

As far as thinking a pastor should shout more. That wasn't the point. The point was that if the pastor doesn't shout much then maybe the laypeople should do what he is doing in place of shouting more.

Once again, I can only speak from experience, but this is exactly what our church stresses. During times of prayer, everyone is praying together, for and with each other. Not laying hands on their head, but putting an arm around someone who needs encouragement, praying with them.

Our pastor stresses that you shouldn't put so much focus on "getting a blessing", but instead "being a blessing".

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Once again, I can only speak from experience, but this is exactly what our church stresses. During times of prayer, everyone is praying together, for and with each other. Not laying hands on their head, but putting an arm around someone who needs encouragement, praying with them.

Our pastor stresses that you shouldn't put so much focus on "getting a blessing", but instead "being a blessing".

Yea, it sounds like you have a wonderful church

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Once again, I can only speak from experience, but this is exactly what our church stresses. During times of prayer, everyone is praying together, for and with each other. Not laying hands on their head, but putting an arm around someone who needs encouragement, praying with them.

Our pastor stresses that you shouldn't put so much focus on "getting a blessing", but instead "being a blessing".

We don't have too many rogues, either. Usually everyone's unified.

Occasionally, you'll have someone act funny because maybe that's their experience or how they saw things done when they were young, or maybe they're a new convert overwhelmed by the presence of God. Some people really don't know how to react when they feel God for the first time. One of my friends was telling me the other day about a woman who came to one of our church dramas years ago. About halfway through, she got up and ran out of the church. My friend followed her out, and she was out on the porch, shaking like a leaf and smoking a cigarette--completely shaken up by what she had felt. (She expressed as much--it wasn't just my friend's assumption.)

Maturity changes the way you react, in most cases. I've seen more crazy antics from the charismatic realm than I ever did in conservative Apostolic churches. Granted, I've seen crazy stuff in the latter as well, but not as widespread. Of course, I don't consider lifting hands, dancing, jumping, running and shouting to be "crazy." I consider someone to be a little "crazy" when it's obvious they're not in control. Some people even seem to "try" to be out of control, which is hard to explain, but I bet you know what I'm talking about. Some of the weirdest things I've seen involved trying to cast out a demon. Exorcism is a RCC concept--not a biblical concept. Jesus never wrestled with a demon-possessed person. He just commanded the devils to go, and they went. The disciples couldn't do it because apparently they hadn't prayed and fasted enough.

Now I'm getting off on a tangent, and I have English to teach, so I'll be back later!

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I consider someone to be a little "crazy" when it's obvious they're not in control. Some people even seem to "try" to be out of control, which is hard to explain, but I bet you know what I'm talking about.

I know what you mean. Some people think that the wilder they get, the more power of God they are feeling. I've seen holes kicked in doors, people jumping into the baptistery, heard of one church that blew a loud bullhorn frequently during worship (weird!). Heard of people running outside and jumping up and down on the hoods of their cars, going so ballistic that people around them got black eyes and busted lips..... yes, that's out there. That's the type of thing that needs to submit to the "decently and in order" mandate.

Some of the weirdest things I've seen involved trying to cast out a demon. Exorcism is a RCC concept--not a biblical concept. Jesus never wrestled with a demon-possessed person. He just commanded the devils to go, and they went. The disciples couldn't do it because apparently they hadn't prayed and fasted enough.

Yes, I've seen some very odd things when someone was trying to "cast out a demon". Very odd. The devil ended up getting a lot more glory than God did.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I know what you mean. Some people think that the wilder they get, the more power of God they are feeling. I've seen holes kicked in doors, people jumping into the baptistery, heard of one church that blew a loud bullhorn frequently during worship (weird!). Heard of people running outside and jumping up and down on the hoods of their cars, going so ballistic that people around them got black eyes and busted lips..... yes, that's out there. That's the type of thing that needs to submit to the "decently and in order" mandate.

I got you beat hands down. One of the smaller UPCI churches in a Houston suburb used to have their people come down and ring a cowbell when they were too filled with pride.

This is a true story. Really. No joke.