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Old 06-24-2011, 04:01 PM
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Re: Spirit and Letter

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Most people confuse the tongues that occurred at the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost with the babel that goes on in most churches today. The tongues on Pentecost was not ecstatic utterances and stammered syllables that we hear most often today, it was ACTUAL human languages given at a time when many languages were gathered together so that the message could be HEARD and UNDERSTOOD in each listeners native language.

I do believe in the gift of unknown tongues, the tongue of men and angels and I do believe that it is a gift, but I do not believe that it is and I further find no BIBLICAL PROOF that it is essential to Salvation.

How can anyone repent unless the Spirit draw him? How can the Spirit draw him if He doesn't take up residence until after someone has "tarried" and begged to receive Him??

We need to take a look at what we teach, we need to Study to shew ourselves approved and quit preaching something just because its all we have ever been taught, We are APOSTOLIC, we need to get back to APOSTOLIC doctrine and leave the rest alone!!!
It annoys me that you guys are so arrogant saying that the tongues spoken on the day of Pentecost are not what they speak now?

Even if the 120 in the upper room each spake in one known tongue each, that's on 120 different languages.

The invaluable Ethnologue quotes 6909 living languages. Keyword there is Living Tongues. That does not include ancient tongues and dialects that are dead, unknown, or unheard. You would have to have thousands of linguists at each receiving of the Holy Ghost to determine what that language is for that one persons speaking.

Who are you to question how God can work?

Back when Pentecost was first forming, they used to think they could just go to China and speak in tongues to preach. However that was not the way it works. I have had missionaries tell me that the have been in parts of the world where people have not even heard English. I mean at all. Bush countries. And when a person started to receive the Holy Ghost, they started to talk in plain, American English. Others at the same place, in Spanish. Etc. All at the same place. Different countries. Different Missionaries.

To tell me this does not happen here in America, just because you, or the person next to you can not understand what you are saying, that it must not be true, is complete arrogance.

We were given a narrative by the Apostle Luke on the workings, and actions of the First Church, not a Scientific Data Analyses of every encounter, language, and person that it happened to, throughout the first 100 years.

He wrote it like the following:
1) Story #1 with some details (narrative, story telling, with only Key Notes on message given)
2) Story #2, point back to what happened at what #1, same happened at #2 with different people
3) Story #3, less detail then #2, but same thing that happened at #1 (cause I already told you how it happens)

That is how the Book of Acts was written. For those of you that claim, well it does not specifically state that in such'n'such verse that they did that. It's because, he does not have to retail the story of Chapter 2, 30 different times.

If it happens, it happens JUST like Acts Chapter 2.

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