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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Yes but the topic is "glorying in sin"
Here is the original assertion
"It seems that among the AFF crowd here (and those with AFF roots who post primarly on FB) that there is almost a glorying in sin. A glorying in NOT being perfect and being at least a little worldly. These people tend to come across as condenscending towards those who seek to be seperated from the world. "
Is it an almost glorying in sin or outright? Please give some examples of this phenomena here on AFF
"Why don't we care about true holiness anymore?"
What is true Holiness. Who is the "we"?
"I realize I'm on the opposite track as some of these people, because all their childhood (and even into adulthood) they didn't watch tv, didn't listen to secular music, didn't experience the world, and now that their eyes have been opened to "grace" they "are free to do all these things" (ref. Jeremiah 7). But that's not biblical grace! Biblical grace that bring salvation teaches us to DENY ungodliness and worldy lusts (see Titus 2:11-14), not indulge in these thing, even in "moderation." I wasn't raised in church, my whole life was consumed with worldliness, I lived in most of the sins listed in the NT ( Romans 1:28-32, 1 Cor 6:9-10, Col 3 :5-8, 1 John 2:15, etc) and I can not for the life of me understand what any christian would want to do with the world. "
Isn't "sin" stuff like lying, stealing, fornicating, adultery etc etc, not "TV watching"? Because someone disagrees TV watching is a sin they are classified as disgruntled former Pentecostals gone charismatic and glorying in SIN??? Really?
What is "the world"? Why is TV watching "The world"? Because the world does it? They also do car driving and restaurant going
I could find 1 place where "worldly" is used
Tit 2:12 teaching us that having denied ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live discreetly, righteously and godly, in this present world,
The bible does not define worldly lusts as TV watching or Secular Music listening. Now does that mean you can watch lustful stuff (Like two people having sex)? No that would fall under lusts right?
The problem is "worldly" seems to be rather subjective in definition |
Briefly:
Holiness is moral purity, God sets the standard of holiness. We see what true holiness is in the person of Christ. To be Christlike=to be holy. Therefore it should be every Christians desire to be as much like Christ as possible. Of course we all fall short, but our desire should be to continue to become more ad more like Christ.
However for many there desire is salvation not necessarily holiness of life, I do believe there is a distinction. Those who seek salvation don't want to be lost, but once they feel they are saved (and become masters of the doctrines of grace) they desire to be completely like Christ subsides.
As for specifics about glorying in sin, I would say that those who use profanity and excuse it thus feel no need to repent, are glorying in sin. Those who subject themselves to the godless culture and find pleasure in ungodly entertainment and excuse it are gloring in sin. Basically when someone ACCEPTS a sin in their life and believes its nothing to be concerned about and even suggests to other believers that because they don't practice/accept the same in their lives, this is glorying in sin. It is "glorying in sin" because the chrstian essentially says "even though I realize this is wrong, its ok for me to do it because of grace." Its not ok for us to sin, ever. No matter how "big" or "small" the sin is. In the opening post I'm not bewailing the fact that christians sin, but the fact that some don't seem to care.
As fr "worldliness" that's a bit more subjective, but I'd define as the worlds system and values devoid of Christ. If we want to define it let's define it as the secular humanistic and naturaulistic world views so common in our society. Why should a christian take part in such things?
Since you mentioned VV watching let me touch on that. First I wasn't labeling "TV watching" as a sin, in fact I have TV with Dish Network to boot. But as you pointed out above, lying, cheating, fornication, adultery is sin. If I could allow me to add homosexuality, drug use, murder, immodesty, pride, self glorication, drunkeness,profanity are all also sins (I assume we agree). So why do those Christians who ought to be desiring to be Christlike get so much satisfaction out of sitcoms like "Modern Family" featuring a homosexual couple, and movies like "Hunger Games" featuring murder, the come back and say "but there's a good message in it. Hogwash. Sae with secular music, why does a Christian want to listen t the Eagles, to Nirvana, to the Beatles, etc? Isn't this a direct contradiction to Phil 4:8 and
Col 3:16? Oh, but it is because "christian music is boring". So we don't mind watching shows and listening to music that God hates, it is literally an abomination to His holiness, BUT it is ok because "were under grace." So we don't strive for holiness (the moral purity and righteousness of God) because we are saved by grace and we have Christs righteousness imputed to us, so when God judges us, He will judge as as righteous as Christ, therefore why make an extra effort to "be holy", so goes the common argument.
To me standards have nothing to do with any of this.
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