Do you believe the dual nature of Christ?
Do you believe a man of Adam's race was required to make atonement for mankind?
Do you believe Jesus had to be deity to forgive sins?
Do you believe the man Christ had to be every bit "man" or some kind of hybrid or a lifeless carcass?
Do you believe heaven was empty when Christ walked the earth?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Philippians 2 has 30 verses. Would you point out where the chapter tells us that Christ is God and man?
There is no scripture supporting your statement that 'as God he set aside all His divine prerogatives and lived the life of a man'. If you have it, please post it. If this is the passage you're attempting to use to support your view, it doesn't work.
Php 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Php 2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
Those are "it" and they do work.
Christ is God
Php 2:5 You should have the same attitude toward one another that Christ Jesus had,
Php 2:6 who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,
Emptied "Divine perogatives"
Php 2:6 who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself by taking on the form of a slave, by looking like other men, and by sharing in human nature.
Php 2:8 He humbled himself, by becoming obedient to the point of death — even death on a cross!
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This passage is often called the kenosis passage. Pages could be written on this passage, examining all of the Greek, but I will limit my comments to the most pertinent sections. Paul stated that Christ existed in the form (morphe) of God, but did not think that it was robbery to be equal with God. This phrase is translated from ouch harpagmon hesesato to einsai isa theoi. The meaning of harpogmos, translated "robbery," is "something to take advantage of." Christ did not consider equality with God something to be taken advantage of, but in His incarnation,
Instead of retaining this form, Christ "emptied Himself" (heauton, "himself," and ekenosen, "made of no reputation"). We get the term "kenosis" from the root of ekenosen, which is kenoo. This word is the crucial hinge to understanding the nature of the incarnation. Ekenosen is in the aorist active indicative, third person singular, meaning that the action here genuinely happened, and that being in the past. Christ actively "kenosed" Himself. "Made of no reputation" is a poor rendering from the Greek. The meaning of the word is to empty; to divest one's self of one's prerogatives, abase one's self; to deprive a thing of its proper functions." http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/chalcedon.htm
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Christ is God
Php 2:5 You should have the same attitude toward one another that Christ Jesus had,
Php 2:6 who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,
Emptied "Divine perogatives"
Php 2:6 who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself by taking on the form of a slave, by looking like other men, and by sharing in human nature.
Php 2:8 He humbled himself, by becoming obedient to the point of death — even death on a cross!
"
This passage is often called the kenosis passage. Pages could be written on this passage, examining all of the Greek, but I will limit my comments to the most pertinent sections. Paul stated that Christ existed in the form (morphe) of God, but did not think that it was robbery to be equal with God. This phrase is translated from ouch harpagmon hesesato to einsai isa theoi. The meaning of harpogmos, translated "robbery," is "something to take advantage of." Christ did not consider equality with God something to be taken advantage of, but in His incarnation,
Instead of retaining this form, Christ "emptied Himself" (heauton, "himself," and ekenosen, "made of no reputation"). We get the term "kenosis" from the root of ekenosen, which is kenoo. This word is the crucial hinge to understanding the nature of the incarnation. Ekenosen is in the aorist active indicative, third person singular, meaning that the action here genuinely happened, and that being in the past. Christ actively "kenosed" Himself. "Made of no reputation" is a poor rendering from the Greek. The meaning of the word is to empty; to divest one's self of one's prerogatives, abase one's self; to deprive a thing of its proper functions." http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/chalcedon.htm
Christ is God
Php 2:5 You should have the same attitude toward one another that Christ Jesus had,
Php 2:6 who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,
Emptied "Divine perogatives"
Php 2:6 who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself by taking on the form of a slave, by looking like other men, and by sharing in human nature.
Php 2:8 He humbled himself, by becoming obedient to the point of death — even death on a cross!
"
This passage is often called the kenosis passage. Pages could be written on this passage, examining all of the Greek, but I will limit my comments to the most pertinent sections. Paul stated that Christ existed in the form (morphe) of God, but did not think that it was robbery to be equal with God. This phrase is translated from ouch harpagmon hesesato to einsai isa theoi. The meaning of harpogmos, translated "robbery," is "something to take advantage of." Christ did not consider equality with God something to be taken advantage of, but in His incarnation,
Instead of retaining this form, Christ "emptied Himself" (heauton, "himself," and ekenosen, "made of no reputation"). We get the term "kenosis" from the root of ekenosen, which is kenoo. This word is the crucial hinge to understanding the nature of the incarnation. Ekenosen is in the aorist active indicative, third person singular, meaning that the action here genuinely happened, and that being in the past. Christ actively "kenosed" Himself. "Made of no reputation" is a poor rendering from the Greek. The meaning of the word is to empty; to divest one's self of one's prerogatives, abase one's self; to deprive a thing of its proper functions." http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/chalcedon.htm
Interesting comments but nothing in your comment, or the commentary you copied and pasted, supports the theory that Jesus is both God and man. No doubt "Christ actively 'kenosed' Himself, no argument there. But that doesn't support the theory of Jesus being both God and man. Jesus has a God and He's not that God.
Php 2:5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Php 2:9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
Per the scripture, He existed in the form of God, was equal to God (which isn't to be grasped), and was made in the likeness of men. For this reason, God highly exalted Him and gave Him a name. Someone exalted someone else. Someone game someone else a name. Per scripture, God exalted Jesus, God gave Jesus a name. This wasn't God interacting with Himself, exalting Himself and giving Himself a name above every name. God is God, Jesus is Jesus who isn't God.
No, the go-to scripture simply does not agree with the theory that Jesus is both God and man. Nothing in the passage suggests such a theory.
Alas, many cannot find the visible, viable and powerful Church of Jesus Christ in the 19th century. Or the 18th century. Or the 17th century. For many, they can only find the Church of the Living God after 1913.
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