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Old 01-29-2013, 08:34 AM
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Re: How do you deal with a gay friend?

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Big problem with that Timmy when the Bible is very clear about people who profess they are saved with blatant sin that they don't even think is wrong in their lives.

We shouldn't try to be friendlier than God.
Jesus was more friendly with sinners, than with the religious leaders, He was constantly forgiving sinners, and rebuking the religious leaders.

WE are so fearful of our love being an embracing of the sin, Jesus had no such problem.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:49 AM
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Big problem with that Timmy when the Bible is very clear about people who profess they are saved with blatant sin that they don't even think is wrong in their lives.

We shouldn't try to be friendlier than God.
I understand that, but there are as many different lists of "sins" in effect as there are Christians. (OK, a biiiiit of an exaggeration. ) Everybody uses their own list to decide whom to cut off, though, so I guess it all works out.
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Re: How do you deal with a gay friend?

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Jesus was more friendly with sinners, than with the religious leaders, He was constantly forgiving sinners, and rebuking the religious leaders.

WE are so fearful of our love being an embracing of the sin, Jesus had no such problem.
True dat.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:26 AM
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Re: How do you deal with a gay friend?

JD has seperated the difference in a sinner that professes no salvation and one who is professing to be saved and yet still live in sin. He is right.

Some here are bashing his opinion by lumping the two together.

Yet the same ones are also quick to point out that we are all sinners

If no sin is greater than another, then how do you respond under different circumstances ?

Why is it 'ok' if the person's sin is homosexualilty?

Would you continue to befriend and fellowship in love with one who proclaims they are a pedophile and saved?

A sex addict and saved?

A poligamist and saved?

A murder and saved? (people kill in the name of Jesus or because "God told them to")

Compulsive liar and saved?

One who lives in sin and argues that they are still within the will of God and are redeemed while living in sin should be cut off.

I don't see where some of you can use Jesus as an example in this scenerio.

The closest scriptural situation where Jesus faced sinners who believed they were within the will of God is the Pharasees, and we know how he treated them.
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Re: How do you deal with a gay friend?

The key is whether or not they are justifying their sin and saying God approves.
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The key is whether or not they are justifying their sin and saying God approves.
You do know there are alternative interpretations of scripture, right? Have to admit, it seems like a stretch to me, too, but who can say? (You, of course! )
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You do know there are alternative interpretations of scripture, right? Have to admit, it seems like a stretch to me, too, but who can say? (You, of course! )
I wish I could remember the scripture someone used once to prove Santa Claus..... something about an angel of the north. blah blah blah.
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The Bible is clear that this is sin. And I have a feeling that the conversation of "if this is sinful, why did God make me gay?" is going to come up soon. And I want to handle it rightly.
The "God made me this way" actually works in the favor of the Born Again Christian, when we really provide a study of the word. I'm not debating if they were born that way or not, doesn't matter frankly.

In the beginning God created a perfect world, a perfect existence. It was how God had hoped it always would be. But he also provided man free will. The decision man made to disobey God opened the door for the curse of sin, not only on the world but on mankind... and that seed of of the curse if passed on through the life of mankind, via the flesh. Within that flesh is the curse, the fallen nature. That's why when they say there is DNA that shows people have an aptitude to sinful things, like homosexuality, drunkeness, and other issues doesn't surprise me.

And frankly, God doesn't "make" each individual person. Yes he holds the keys to life, but the procreation of man is a principle that is at liberty in the world we live in, and as man procreates, the curse is passed on to each offspring. The life is in the blood.

But Jesus told Nicodemus that we must be born again. We must go back to the very level of the spritual man starting all over. So that a new nature might be obtained, and through the power of the Holy Ghost, the new nature... born of God provide victory over the curse of sin which still resides within our flesh. This body has not yet been redeemed, that will happen in the resurrection.

Paul spoke of crucifying the flesh. He spoke of the battle between natures. The new birth enables the believer to not be a slave to unrighteousness but to be a servant unto God and put that "cursed" sinful nature under the subjection of God.

They must realize, the temptation may not go away if they deny the sin and pick up their cross. God delivers some from it, others He doesn't. But God does enable them that they can have victory over the tempation, and not follow into sin. The true New Birth... being a new creation in Christ Jesus... will give them victory over the flesh, which is where that temptation your friend has resides.

Does this mean he will be perfect? Never fall to the sin? Nope... just like those tempted to have a bad attitude, tell a false truth, or lose their temper as well sometimes choose to follow after the flesh. But if we do sin... we have an advocate with the Father.

When one really understands the New Birth... and that as John 1:12 says, to them gave He power to become the sons of God.... they won't focus on what afflictions and issues they were born with... they'll understand there is a redemption available for them to step over those obstacles and walk in victory.

Hope that helps....
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I wish I could remember the scripture someone used once to prove Santa Claus..... something about an angel of the north. blah blah blah.
Yeah, now you're getting it!
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