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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth
Now... I'm going to ask a few questions and I want to state up front that I'm not trying to be smart alec and I'm not trying to make light of your position.
What you have stated here reminds me a lot of the "if they had a choice why would they choose this lifestyle with all of the rejection they get from society" argument. When I hear this thought put forward questions begin to roll through my mind...
If the statement in quotes above has any validity then wouldn't the same remain true for child molesters & serial adulterers? Why would they choose a life that is so looked down on society and so ridiculed if they had a choice? That seems far fetched but that is the clear end for this reasoning.
I see the same with what you have stated here. What if there were a man in your life who loves God, and would love nothing else but to be "normal" so he would fit in and yet he had a problem with child molestation? Should our compassion for child molesters increase?
What if you had a friend who just cannot stop cheating on his wife? He continually sleeps with other women but he loves God, and would love nothing else but to be "normal" so he would fit in? Should we see adulterers in a new and compassionate light?
There are clearly people who have these problems. And, beyond their deviant activities, I would imagine that some of them are good people and probably some of them attend church.
The scripture that comes to my mind is this... The heart is deceitful above all things...
I pray that you consider what I have presented here.
We are not to hate the sinner etc. But I don't think we are to come to a place where we accept a premise that says God made us this way. If we do that then when the premise runs it's course we will find ourselves having compassion for the child molester or the adulterer or the rapist because that is where this reasoning finally leads.
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We are not to hate the sinner etc. But I don't think we are to come to a place where we accept a premise that says God made us this way. If we do that then when the premise runs it's course we will find ourselves having compassion for the child molester or the adulterer or the rapist because that is where this reasoning finally leads.
I understand what you’re saying, and was going to post something similar. First of all I believe that sin, all sin comes from the Devil, and that he is continually placing temptations on us to do those things which are against the spirit, that which is against God. And sin is us committing or consenting within our hearts or with our deeds, to allow those things that we are tempted with to consume us.
When we are tempted to lie, to murder to commit adultery, to fornicate…yes I do believe that these are in the same vein as the spirits of child molestation, murdering, and even gays. No I don’t believe God made gays that way, nor do I believe that all of those who are gay, chose their lifestyles. Not everyone is tempted with exactly the same thing, and you don’t choose what you are tempted with. The devil don’t put the exact same temptation on every single last person, he’s to cunning for that, if he did, then everyone would probably know what sin is, and where it’s coming from, and would be better equipped to resist and fight it.
I view gays almost in the same way as I few someone who is wrathful. It’s like someone who was always angry, always quick to wrath even from their youth, to the point that even when that person grows up, as far as long as everyone knew them, they were like that, and everyone who knows them, will say that that’s just how that person is, and acting as if that person was born that way. The same way as if someone had a quick tongue, or always deceitful. People who know them and the person that has these sins, will just think that that is how they were born, because as long as they lived they were like this way.
My problem with those who are against gays, is that it seems that people just have a hatred for them, ( not their sin) as if their sin is worse then your own. And will make up all kinds of excuses why they can’t stop sinning, and then jump on the gays for their sins, and expect them to stop sinning.
You don’t have compassion for them, in the since that you accept their sin as if it’s alright, but you should know how to act towards them, to help them turn away from it. Through the help of our Lord, gays (and everyone else) can stop sinning, and fight and turn away from the temptations that the devil places on you.
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