"Pastor" throws hissy fit

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by n david

This was done for no other reason than to prove he was "the man," that he had power over everyone there.

Probably so! Power does corrupt. But where you are judging the motives, I am only considering the actual behavior in light of the possible pastoral (scriptural) rationale behind it. This pastor would not have been so rhetorically condemned 40 years ago, when that style was more prevalent. But, (and a big but it is :^)) had he even nowadays been able to demonstrate his authority with Book of Acts-like violence, we would instead be in awe of how Apostolicly powerful he is, (even if a Baptist.)

"Them that sin, rebuke before all, that others also may fear." 1Timothy2:20.

That's only intended for elders? "Rebuke not an elder, but entreat.." 1Tim5:1.

Even when Eutychus dozed off and fell out the window, Paul didn't run down, chew him out and berate him in front of everyone.

Valid. It's no sin to be sleepy in church--especially if you are so tired from working for God. But if instead, someone has been long regarded by the pastor as a problem "goat," then it's not surprising that pastor has judged such inattention to the preached word as part of the reason he is not "getting it".
(Of course, if as reported, the "goat" left this church, then it's maybe a happy ending for both parties.)

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[n david]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Probably so! Power does corrupt. But where you are judging the motives, I am only considering the actual behavior in light of the possible pastoral (scriptural) rationale behind it. This pastor would not have been so rhetorically condemned 40 years ago, when that style was more prevalent. But, (and a big but it is :^)) had he even nowadays been able to demonstrate his authority with Book of Acts-like violence, we would instead be in awe of how Apostolicly powerful he is, (even if a Baptist.)

"Them that sin, rebuke before all, that others also may fear." 1Timothy2:20.

That's only intended for elders? "Rebuke not an elder, but entreat.." 1Tim5:1.

I could agree about a Pastor confronting sin. Sin should be confronted, especially if the person flaunts their sin. We already agreed the language could have been changed. But I fail to see any sin committed by anyone this man lashed out at. You agreed sleeping isn't a sin; I would argue that having people visit the sound booth isn't a sin; neither is missing church for whatever reason.

So if this was about confronting sin, what was the sin?

You brought a good point, that years ago this wouldn't have been an issue. I would agree that the advent of the internet and social media has caused the office of the Pastor to be scrutinized more than at any time previous. What was typically passed on even 10 years ago, is now more closely looked at.

I understand your point, I just don't believe it applies in this case.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Agreed, however, anyone who really believes all of the bible should have no problem with what this pastor is doing, considering the words of Paul (or whoever really wrote 1Timothy) "Them that sin, REBUKE BEFORE ALL, that others may also fear." So, surely Jay does not jest--he merely believes the bible.

So you're saying that getting drowsy during a boring sermon is a sin? Have some teens hang out in the video room is a sin?

Having his words become viral on the Internet, and to get strong unbiased opinions against his intimidation is the "attitude adjustment" that this pastor deserves. He is now the laughing stock of his city.

[Whole Hearted]

People today hate pastoral Authority.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

People today hate pastoral Authority.

Have you watched the clip?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

If you suppose it is ONLY the elders Paul had in view, why is it necessary for you to then defend this "regular member" who would of course be beyond the scope of Paul's command?

If however, the admonition to "rebuke openly that others may fear" applies to all visible sin, then "sleepiness in church" is obviously not this pastor's primary criticism. But rather he was rebuking a condition of wider disobedience, as in, "Obey them that have the rule over you, for they watch for you soul."

who was I defending? I have no idea what you are talking about.

As for the text, the context is about Elders

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

To note that someone is being as stubborn as a donkey/mule-and if you've never owned one (I own two) they can be stubborn without any and beyond all reason... It's like calling someone a caveman when they act all troglodyte... It's a descriptive... While IMO to call someone moron, retarded, stupid, etc. is often done in an attempt to appear to make a negative assessment of someone's intelligence based not on fact but simply as a way to discredit their views by saying in essence that if they do not see it the way you see it they must not be as smart as you.

In my opinion Jack____ is based on an honest assessment of how one sees another, while those other terms are often simply ways to discredit another.

the word isnt limited to being lazy anymore but also stupid. I dont see the difference between calling someone "moron" or the other pejorative term and meaning the samething

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

OK, I can accept that. Again, I was just surprised when it blanked the word out. To me it seems very mild compared to a lot of the terms I've heard used here. No biggie either way.

Admin removed it. Admin can only do that when admin is aware of it. Thats why the post reporting tool is there

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Probably so! Power does corrupt. But where you are judging the motives, I am only considering the actual behavior in light of the possible pastoral (scriptural) rationale behind it. This pastor would not have been so rhetorically condemned 40 years ago, when that style was more prevalent. But, (and a big but it is :^)) had he even nowadays been able to demonstrate his authority with Book of Acts-like violence, we would instead be in awe of how Apostolicly powerful he is, (even if a Baptist.)

"Them that sin, rebuke before all, that others also may fear." 1Timothy2:20.

That's only intended for elders? "Rebuke not an elder, but entreat.." 1Tim5:1

1 Timothy 5:1-2 ESV

Do not rebuke an older man but encourage him as you would a father, younger men as brothers, older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, in all purity.

Its not talking about church elders but older men

[Praxeas]

People are more educated as are Pastors