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Originally Posted by mizpeh
But this scripture speaks about the take over of the Spirit in prayer as "groans" which cannot be put into words. Groans are not the same as other tongues. I'm not saying that the Spirit doesn't pray through us in other tongues because clearly in 1 Cor 14: 14, He does, BUT the Spirit also prays through us without words coming out of our mouths but in groans. I've experienced that. So can you see how perhaps "praying in the Spirit" doesn't necessarily have to be "praying in tongues"? The Spirit can pray through us in different ways and is not limited to only tongues.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. NIV
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.KJV |
I understand that and have experienced "groaning" many times. I'm just saying that throughout the duration of travail, I have groaned, spoke in tongues, groaned, etc.
IOW, going back and forth. So, yes, groaning is part of travail (for however long you are groaning), but not exclusively groaning. It just simply isn't the only element involved in travail.
The scriptures you cited are not a definite, for me, travail "only" includes groaning. It just doesn't. I couldn't use that scripture and teach it was an "only" element.
I've started out in tongues, gone into groaning. Sometimes I start out groaning and end up speaking in tongues. I know from my intense feelings, that I am in travail. Being that the Spirit is evidenced by speaking in tongues, I could never instruct anyone that "groaning" is all that is involved. I would feel I was not adequately portraying "travail" correctly if I did that.
Again, I don't see how when the Spirit is present, you will not speak in tongues as well. That is all I am saying.
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