born of water

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Hesetmefree238

We both believe baptism is part of the plan of salvation. I'm a Jesus name guy, but my point is I disagree with your description of a person filled with the Spirit, but that has not yet been water baptized. When a person is filled with the Spirit the life of Christ enters that person. They are born again, born of the Spirit. They have been made a new creature in Christ. Their heart and spirit has experienced a transformation and life giving regeneration. The inner man has been rebirthed.

So, my point is the Spirit of Christ puts the life of Christ in a believer and it is testimony and confirmation from God that he has honored the recipient's faith in Jesus and has forgiven their sins. (God doesn't fill unforgiven people. The Spirit bears witness of our sins being forgiven and that we are a part of the family of God) None of this does away with the fact that the Spirit filled believer must be baptized in Jesus name. Peter commanded this, but a person filled with the Spirit now has the life of Christ within them.

Well, the Lord can forgive a sinner, fill them with His Spirit and they can continue sinning the next day.
This makes them sinful.
My point is that the Holy Ghost does not deal with the SIN NATURE like water baptism does.....Romans 6
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.




The Lord can forgive a person of theirs past sins and fill them with the Holy Ghost, but that does not cover their sin nature that is still alive. Water Baptism KILLS the sin nature in the "spiritual" sense as the Lord sees' it.

After water baptism, the Lord does not see us as sinners, but as DEAD to SIN!

If a person is not baptized after receiving the Holy Ghost, the Lord simply sees' him as a sinner with the Holy Ghost.